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Is Analyzing the SERP Competition a waste of time?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Shirley7788, Dec 16, 2009.

  1. Shirley7788

    Shirley7788 Newbie

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    When analyzing top 10 in g0g1e, is it a waste of time?
    :fencing:


    Let say g algo is made up by hundreds of variable, each one has their correlation and perhaps a formula connecting the variable through a complex function.
    Assumed I had figured out, say 47 variable/elements that influence the serp, then I want to shoot some kw for 1st position, don't bother to get <1(an example) because the traffic received in top 10 isn't linear at all. Safely assumed, 31% vs 3% , I'm sure the times/effort taken to take 1# required less than 10fold work.

    When I look at the first result, yes! I will outrank this site/page but when it comes to results of #2, #3 , sometimes you will notice you can't beat them! (based on my own made up assumption)



    1)So when you analyze the top 10, I'm sure you are analyzing with some formula, like blp, age, authority, theme relevant, on page factor, point me out if I'm wrong.

    2) When you analyzing certain position (lower position is available), it seems you can outrank them but the fact is it will contradict when you analyze them all.

    3) If someone is able to analyze without any contradiction, BINGO, billionaire.

    4) If contradiction exist, why bother analyze, research?

    I'm little confused here, hope bhw can help me on this subject, thanks!
     
  2. wakkaoaka

    wakkaoaka BANNED BANNED

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    Dont try and research your competition perfectly, it aint worth it. Just make sure you check the backlink volume, where the majority of those backlinks are coming, and their on page seo. The above research method is far better than no research because it severly narrows the chance of not ranking for a certain keyword. Also, keep in mind that sometimes time is the missing link.
     
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  3. Shirley7788

    Shirley7788 Newbie

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    "time is the missing link"

    sorry for not understanding,
    Do you mean let the page aged and build backlinks overtime consistently (I think this is important, please correct me if I'm wrong.)
    OR
    You are talking about competitor age?
     
  4. Shirley7788

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    I ask this because I used to target low competition kw but sometime I will try high competition, it won't hurt right?
    What interesting is I was managed to peek the top10 for some competitive keyword(not for long though) for a fraction of those I tried, I wonder, with enough bl and patience we can rank for most of the (I mean most of the) competitive keyword?


    Also when analyzing backlinks, report show there are a pr 4,5 (or whatever) link but in fact there aren't any, mostly because of it appear on homepage for some reason and after that fade to none.
    If we need to look through different ip (ip diversity?) , percentage of high pr, doesn't that take a long time?
    (I don't know if these two step already count as "perfectly" as described by wakkaoaka, if it isn't,

    what kind of keyword research you take, how long would you willing to spend in your project? or per goldmine?



    Very thanks for your input and thanks again for giving some direction as my seo effort didn't have high enough success rate.
     
  5. justone

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    Learning what they do is never bad.
    But from my experience the best you can do is concentrate your available time your own marketing.
     
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  6. deki33

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    Report from Market Samurai with number of backlinks for top10 sites and number of pr5, 4 and 3 sites is fine for me.
    You just need to know what numbers you with your tools,sites,knowledge can get..
     
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    its not a waste of time you need to have a general idea of competitors strength before you decide to go after a niche
     
  8. wakkaoaka

    wakkaoaka BANNED BANNED

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    I mean that you need to spend time slowly building backlinks or outsource it to someone and just wait, building content is also good. I highly suggest you use google.com/webmasters to check your on page seo, because if google webmasters cant see your main keyword then you wont get ranked for that keyword, no matter how many backlinks and pages you have.
     
  9. biks

    biks Power Member

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    It's more of an art when reading the first page Google chart in Market Samurai. I've been consistently putting myself on the first page when creating niche sites by researching A SHIT LOAD.

    If it's mostly green all the way up then it's a no-brainer. I've made a few authority sites by hammering the links over a few years with a non-keyword domain. Pain in the ass.

    I now find the right keyword, make sure I have a domain to match and make sure no one else has done the same. I avoid fighting any high PR sites with a ton of backlinks.
     
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  10. b1tr0t

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    Great post and great answers... I need more info on this topic. Like what are the indicators in your research that would cause you to take certain actions? I know that's a deep subject, but man... is it as simple as doing equal or better onsite SEO and then out backlinking them? Or can the research tell you much more?

    biks, if you have any more information to share, I'm all ears.
     
  11. yousefgreat

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    Yes, I totally agree that TIME can be a MISSING LINK.

    Let your website age along with some link building. You will suddenly see a nice permanent rise in your SERPS.

    I have a couple of 14 month old websites that are ranking top 3 for pretty competetive niches. The funny this is that 2 of them have successfully outranked the official website itself.

    I have been getting some weird emails from the official webmasters asking me to shut down my website which I simply ignore since I have nothing to worry about :)
     
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    I make good use of keyw0rdspy.c0m on the top ads
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  13. Shirley7788

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    Thanks for all of the idea, much appreciated.
    SEO is a wide subject, trial and error is the way to go if you have enough time to learn.
     
  14. Yukinari84

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    Researching your competition is a must.

    You have to find out how they are getting their rankings so you can do it better. You'd be surprised at how many easy it is to spot some of the weak spots on some sites.

    As far as aging your domains go - the age of a domain definitely helps. If you don't want to wait, just grab a few aged domains with some PR and use those.
     
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  15. BalingDazzer

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    Research helps, but only so much. If you want to rank for a certain keyword, then keep building links till you do, analyzing your competitors may help you learn new things, but don't waste too much time doing so.
     
  16. Shirley7788

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    What I most concern about is

    the time you take to really analyzing your competitor

    VS

    you just simply analyze (everyone has their own metric)and take the time to rank for more


    BECAUSE "simply analyze" would have more than 50% success rate too and sometimes an unbeatable keyword could be outrank suddenly because of a sheer of luck to hit the algo jackpot.

    Just a thought, I'm just too crazy about seo right now until when I see a newspaper ads and I thought:" noway, this is keyword stuffing, eat the ban hammer!"
     
  17. Yukinari84

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    You don't need to spend too much time. Just get your keywords, look at the overall competition, make a battle plan, and execute it.

    You can spend all the time in the world analyzing something, but it's taking action that will produce the real results.
     
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  18. biks

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    It IS as "simple" as out back linking anybody. The question is, do you have the stomach for putting in the time? If you're not on the first page of Google, you'll be making squat during all the time you're doing a back linking campaign.

    Let's say it will take a year of effort to create a site that your pretty confident that you can make $100 a day with. (the keyword get a shit pile of searches a day, you just gotta get on the first page of Google.) HOPEFULLY you can pull this off. You'll be making NOTHING for the next year for all of your efforts.

    Now let's say you create a site that can make $1 a day from the moment it gets indexed. You do the research, find a niche that isn't exploited and you snag the proper domain keyword, optimize etc. I've been creating sites like this that take me exactly (1) to build - and not just some shitty "for adsense only" sites.

    ONE DOLLAR A DAY?? (you may ask) C'mon..do the math..that's $365 a year for ones days worth of work.

    Now guess how much you'll be making PER DAY after building (10) of these sites. ;)

    Trick is, ya gotta find the right keyword and not that much competition.
     
  19. wakkaoaka

    wakkaoaka BANNED BANNED

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    Outsource the backlinking and articles whilst you continue to find new niches :) and travel the world.
     
  20. biks

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    I have my house and internet connection already picked out on Maui. (seriously)

    I can find plenty of niches on my computer in Hawaii.