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Is a "PR n/a" link worth it, if the parent directory is PR 6 and the page is cached?

Discussion in 'Link Building' started by DoctorFred, Jan 7, 2010.

  1. DoctorFred

    DoctorFred Newbie

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    The parent directory http://www.example.com/some-dir/ is PR 6

    The links page http://www.example.com/some-dir/page1 is PR n/a, but it is cached in google and has valid backlinks.

    The site is a web directory with lots of backlinks from schools and libraries.

    Will the link from http://www.example.com/some-dir/page1.htm pass any link juice?

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
     
  2. catman08

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    Good questions. :)
    I am pretty sure that is will pass no link juice as the lj passed depends on the page always.
    However a relevant link from another ip will never hurt. I just would not pay money for it if it has no pr.

    PR n.A. can also mean Google has not assigned a PR yet as the page is pretty new -> with the next Pagerank update there may be a PR.

    hope that helped :)
    cheers
    catman
     
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    It helps your ranking, though it worth much less compared to the parent dir.
    This similar to putting your link on profile page of high PR sites.
     
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    As far as the data you provide is concerned, the page with N/A won't pass any benefit from the one with pr6.

    However, the PR you see right now "reported" by toolbars and sites about given urls is not necessarily the pr currently used by Google internally. What you see is the last PR publicly released. What you see now is the pagerank given to the public in the last update, which, specifically, has been short time ago. However in 6 months you may still see this PR, while Google's current "opinion" on these pages has changed "in secret"
     
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  5. DoctorFred

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    Thanks for hte reply, that's a very good point. In my understanding, there are two ways this will happen. However I am a newbie and my bullshit detector isn't fully developed yet. So I'm interested to know if you agree:

    (1.) Google has assigned PR but doesn't display it yet. In a few months toolbar might update to show actual PR. Often this happens with new sites / new pages.
    (2.) Google has assigned PR but doesn't display actual PR (or, shows something lower than the real PR value). This is sometimes done to "punish" sites who've sold links or had other weird things in their link profile. "True" PR might be displayed again eventually over time, and/or after link profile improves.

    For #2 above, I have seen this happen where it shows a low PR number (even 0) but never seen it happen with PR n/a. wdyt?

    ThankS!
     
  6. brchcar1445

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    Another thing to consider is that the page that is a PR NA now could easily be a PR 4 in 3 or 4 months. Especially if it is an authority site with a PR of 6. So many people are looking for the site that has PR right now. But You know by looking at a site whether or not that page is going to have PR. Dont always think about the now, think about the what could be.
     
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    For your number 2. All sites start out at PR NA. Thats not being punished that just means you have no PR juice. Zero means you have a little bit. Its a weird ranking system but NA is more like the zero and the zero is more like the one. And so on. So NA just means its new and needs some backlinks.
     
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    The pagerank can evolve in any direction, Google uses a myriad of methods ot evaluate it. there may be PR and not yet declared (but the last update was just days ago), or there may be a penalty enacted (which can take various forms and degrees). It is hard to say, although I think many sold links get indeed detected after a while (and some that appear sold get penalized too in spite of their innocence). If you show the page we can say if it has been penalized though... that wouldn't be too hard.


    And for the consideration about N/A being a penalty or being just the start status of a new page (thing that typically is): the penalty when there is, can be alot of things, not only N/A. It can be

    - temporary deletion from index

    - permanent deletion from index

    - -50, -100 in serps

    - drop of 3 or 4 PR (eg from 5 to 2)

    - keeping your APPARENT pagerank and poisoning the pages you link to

    I think N/A is not the automatic default result in the case of a penalty. You can have a pr2 and have been penalized with a drop of 5 (seen it 100%)
     
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    This is implicit in what I stated already - what you see now as official PR is not what Google thinks right now of that page, nor what it will think in the near future according to the situation of the pages you see currently. It is not a photo for the present, nor prophecy for the future; it is a legacy about the past.
     
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  11. JamesAtlas

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    Well, it's not going to hurt and I would say it's worth it. I would never link exchange with a directory though.
     
  12. Sharkattack

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    It helps for sure. Soon or later that page will pass some PR and You get the link juice. I got several PR4 pages on this. For exchange or pay for links its better to stay away for a while 'till the it show any PR.