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Is A network Shaving you? Case Study/Test

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by dollarzz, Feb 26, 2012.

  1. dollarzz

    dollarzz Regular Member

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    Ok I just did a test to find out if a network was shaving me... Not sure if it is helpful or if it is accurate!

    So this is what I did and What I had before

    I am promoting email submits:

    I had 95 clicks today and only 6 leads in total $9,50 and an EPC of 0,11 en 0,08 not to great for simple email submits...

    I was kindoff frustrated about it since it is only getting worse and the traffic keeps the same. So an hour ago I signed up for aweber

    Made a simple html page with some info and that people could get their gift card by giving their email and name:

    Result: send another 60 people to the aweber page.

    20 sign ups and so far 2 confirmed and 1 already unsubscribed. Just started with aweber.

    But this means actualy 1 out of 3 people is filling in their info!! And if im right thats all it takes for the email submit right...?
     
  2. bz

    bz Hammerzeit Staff Member Premium Member

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    It's not so much the first page, most email submits these days are 3+ pages of opt-in bullshit. People don't finish all the required pages; you don't get the conversions.
     
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    DutchTrafficService Regular Member

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    Advertisers are the 1st class shavers, networks, sometimes.

    No damn clue why everyone and their mom come up with "my network shaves", look at the offers (all scrub/shave, or they wouldn't be profitable).
     
  4. imperial444

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    Some networks require 3 page submits, and some even need to complete surveys within 1 offer (trust me, I met that type of offers). When person starts to complete the survey, it just never ends. That's why ePC varies from offer to offer
     
  5. dollarzz

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    I think it is the network/advertisers that looks how much of your traffic goes further than 1st page, then 2nd page, then 3rd page and pay you according to how well your traffic converts... And that is SHIT. I would do the same thing but then don't call it email/zip submit.

    Since the network is the one that is paying us ;-), So thats our first connection. It might be the advertisers.. but still, conversion rates don't drop after 10-12 leads about 500%

    I know those offers.. Gold/Silver/Bronze.. Bla bla bla... But that doesn't matter since the pixel should be fired after the first page on my offers



    When I start promoting a new email submit, I start to get epc's above $0,25 and even above $0,30 but after about 10 submits they start to drop and keep dropping unitil $0,05 - $0,12.

    Thats is why I was wondering and my stupid page not optimized with aweber on it converts @35-40%. So this is clearly extreme shaving where I am dealing with, so gonna move on to find a new network
     
  6. gnomon

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    What I have done in the past is create the exact same page I am sending traffic to and split-test it. If you know for a fact that you get credited when someone enters their email address, then it really doesn't matter what they do after that.

    However, advertisers take into account duplicate leads, mis-spellings, fake emails, etc and will shave 15-20%+ off the top. But if you KNOW you got quality traffic, then show them your stats with the split-tested page.

    Most likely they'll make some excuse as to why you got different stats then they did, but if you are doing enough volume, and have the right relationships with your network, you can probably get them to ease of the scrub button.

    It's a RARE occasion if they ever admit to shaving/scrubbing. I had to get an network manager drunk at a bar before he told me the scrub rate for one of their internal offers -- highway robbery!