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Is 2000 links for new site ok?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by acapitalTee, Feb 13, 2014.

  1. acapitalTee

    acapitalTee Power Member

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    I'm launching a new site and not really sure how many links is safe to build in the first month?

    I'm planning to build 2000 links in the first month testing a lot of different services from the BST section and want to make sure it's safe before beginning.
     
  2. tony_d

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    That depends entirely on what type of links they are, and where they come from... if they're Xrumer profile blasts, then no.
    If they're high quality PBN's, then definitely yes.
     
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    If you have money, i would consider a test and seehow it goes. At the end of the day you can always buy a new domain and start from scratch! :)
     
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  4. ProSEO Show

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    If you aren't getting any traffic, I wouldn't hit your site directly with 2,000 links. At the least, start off with some social indicators first to jump start the spiders crawling your site, and get it indexed lol...Start with a few quality links, and hit those links with 2,000 links instead IMO...Obviously Google can't manually review every site on the internet, but a website with 0 visitors and 2000 links makes no sense, and if your link profile doesn't at least slightly emulate natural / organic activity then it most likely isn't effective for the long term.

    For easy competition KW's it really doesn't take very many links to rank. On-Page and a few good backlinks can often do the trick with no risk of penalty. If you're going for a higher comp KW, then you want to think long term, because you most likely aren't going to rank overnight, and if you do it won't last lol. It's hard to be patient when you're excited about a new project, but in the end it's worth being safe and protecting your investment from going to waste - by starting small and gradually increasing your efforts of link building. I'm always hesitant about outsourcing any links to my money sites because you can't control the quality of these links - all you have to judge by is people's reviews and the sales page of the service. If I am going to point something at a money site, I order it first and point it at something else to see what the report looks like and judge if it'll be safe enough for the long term. More often than not I Prefer to manually build a good portion of my t1 links, and purchase some more expensive quality links, rather than going for the bulk approach. We've seen it time and time again where a "guaranteed 1st page" service turns to a "guaranteed de-index"nightmare...

    Quality Over Quantity almost always applies in my experience. Also, continuously adding content seems to be the key these days. If I stop building links to a site but continue to add content, it continues to perform pretty well in SERPs (assuming it already was), but on the flip side if I stop adding content and continue to build links I've been seeing gradual declines in ranking. I don't think we'll ever see the day where links are no longer a factor in ranking (at least not anytime soon), but they're certainly making sure it's not the Primary and only way to rank a site, as this is the main cause for "web spam" and you can only add so many filters to the SERP before everyone's impacted - not just spammers. We're seeing a lot of whitehat, good quality sites getting hit by updates to the algo - where it appears they're trying to fight spam (supposedly), but the little guy is suffering and the big authority sites continue to dominate the top of SERPs. OFC these are most often the most relevant results, but there's also a lot of cases where they don't belong there at all. Anyways enough ranting, play it safe, and I don't suggest a big quantity of links early on - just a handful of Quality ones should suffice as a groundwork that you can later build on when your sites aged a little more, starts getting traffic, etc...
     
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  5. jamesjk1

    jamesjk1 Senior Member

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    What I've noticed and that seems to get sites into trouble (my experience) is link velocity. As Tony D rightly said, you'll want to look to build quality, high pr backlinks form diversified sources. What you don't want to do though is build 2000 links, then suddenly stop. Try and keep it somewhat consistent and slowly taper to a more natural profile.
    Hope that helps a bit. Jon :)
     
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  6. hes21

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    If you are trying to test them then set up some buffer sites and try ranking them with one service each. Then you are ready to launch either decrease OBL adn link to your money site, or 301.
     
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  7. nshunz

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    What are those 2000 links you want to build ? Even if they are good quality ones my recommendation is to take it slow.
     
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  8. acapitalTee

    acapitalTee Power Member

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    Thanks for all the replies :)

    I am planning to use PBN blog posts, high pr links and also some other seo packages to help diversify my link profile. I think I will start off with 1400 links for first month.I am also building another site manually trying to replicate the services I'm buying on a smaller scale and I will compare results to see which technique works better.

    I recently tanked a website I was working on manually so since I have some money to invest, I thought I'd try some BST. I may take hes21's idea and try the services individually on web 2.0's.
     
  9. pompano

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    Why are you going by set amount of links in the thousands. I think you should start with just some high quality PBN, Web2.0 and content links. Patience, no need to blast 1,000 links to a new site unless you are looking to churn and burn.

    Sounds like you are about to waste your money.
     
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  10. acapitalTee

    acapitalTee Power Member

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    I am using PBN and most recommend to dilute anchor profile with other links, that is where I got the number from. Main keywords will be 20% of anchor profile using high quality links and 80% will be generic, brand name, url anchors with web 2.0, social bookmarks, article directores, etc..
     
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    My blog website is 1.5 months old and have backlinks 1.5k. Still going great. I added some extra high PR forum backlinks.
     
  12. pompano

    pompano Power Member

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    Ok here, let me show you something. Here is a site I started 1.5 months ago with a brand new domain.

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    Here are the charts and links:

    Ignore the deleted in the chart, just some of my network sites where I got round to blocking bots from places like Majestic SEO

    [​IMG]

    The main Anchor text in the chart on the right is my domain. The domain has a total of 75 backlinks in which most of my blog network links block majestic seo and other crawlers so competitors cannot see them. :p

    Anyways, maybe them results and that chart might help you understand it's not about quantity when supplementing PBN or any high quality link you create.

    6 Month old site:
    900 external backlinks
    [​IMG]
     
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    2000 links? You're on the route to penalty land and disavow discovery..
     
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  14. acapitalTee

    acapitalTee Power Member

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    Thanks for the charts. I originally thought to only use High PR links with some web 2.0's but EVERY one of the providers I've spoken with have recommended me to diversify my profile and also that main keywords should only make up 10-15% of anchor profile. I plan to only use high quality links for main keywords. The site I mentioned above that I tanked by manually building links is because I destroyed my anchor profile. Actually it looks similar to the anchor profile in the image you posted.
     
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    You don't have to follow a percentage rule set, just make sure you create natural shit with your dirty shit. ;)

    I look at network links as a little but of a booster. I try to follow good rule sets outside of them links.
     
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    zee007 Senior Member

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    Unless you're trying to do negative SEO on your website, no, its not a good idea to build 2K links!
     
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  17. acapitalTee

    acapitalTee Power Member

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    Thanks for all the replies. I will definitely not be building 2000K links to my site. I'll stick to 100-200 for the first month as I do not want to churn and burn my site.

    Now just have to find another provider that provides lesser amount of PBN links
     
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    Guys acting nerds, what if your competitor pays 100$ to get 20,000 backlinks for your website? what could you do. To whom will you complain??
    Google and other search engines have this situation. Nothing will happen. Only do follow links are considered and nofollow from high PR are given points too, i am not telling this, its official from Google.
     
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  19. ProSEO Show

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    Meh, nofollow is just a suggestion to the spiders, not a set rule they have to follow. One big issue with building links too fast to a new site is more to do with thin sites than the link velocity itself. Often people get just a few articles up and start going wild with links, and wonder why Google doesn't think their 3 page site that no one ever visited has 2,000 links. Of course there are natural occurrences of newer sites that get popular quickly and gain links, but good luck trying to unnaturally replicate that in that in a way that satisfies Google's algorithm. If you had a shit load of content, a lot of social signals and really planned it out way prior to starting any link building, you could possibly have decent results - but for most people, this is going to just end in a problem.

    Again I'd emphasize any Large quantity of links should be buffered by a tier 1 with stronger authority domains that can take on heavy link velocity without appearing to be unnatural. Your new site just simply can't take these on without risk. Some people slide under the radar, most get hit. Quality is always the key - it's been well known for a while. The long term game should always involves being careful, not being quick. We of course want results as soon as possible, but results that could possibly disappear overnight have no long term value.
     
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    2000 links to a new site is a bad idea unless you mean tiered links. It would be even worse if you did 2000 links in month 1 and 0 in month 2.

    Why not start safe with 100-200 links in the first month, double that in the second month and continue to go up from there if you really want that many links. Also 20 or 30 strong links are worth more than 1000s of spam links and they're a hell of a lot safer.