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Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by mudbutt, Apr 23, 2013.

  1. mudbutt

    mudbutt Jr. Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    What is most important when trying to rank in a different localized Google? I'm working on a site that needs to be ranked in google.com.au (australia) for a localized keyword (keyword + melbourne) and from my competition analysis, keywords should be top 10 by now...but they arent. The site is currently using a .COM and is hosted in the US.

    What is the best course of action to show google I want to be listed in google.com.au?

    1) relocate the site to australian hosting

    or would the fix be as simple as registering a .au domain and 301 the domain to the current website?

    Moving the website is last resort as the site is rather large with a specialized script that requires a monster server...

    anyone with experience with ranking for localized google please chime in and help a mudbutt out!!
     
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    Yes. Its not that hard really. Build some links from .au domains. To be honest that should be all you need.
    You can try this too. Buy a established AU domain with lots of clean AU backlinks. Forward the domain to your site.
    Hope it helps!
     
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    acotut Elite Member

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    Building some additional .Au backlinks will most likely solve your problem in no time.
     
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  4. mudbutt

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    so no need to get australian hosting?
     
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    No,in most cases google is not that picky :)
     
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    Mate,

    Get .com.au domain RIGHT NOW!

    Then do 301.

    As a bonus, add Australian postal address with rich snippet markup to the website.

    Australian hosting is not important. I host in the US since ancient times.

    Backlinks from .au are NOT important. I ranked .com.au sites top 3 with nothing but .ru backlinks.

    AUDA domain is CRUCIAL (if you want fast results). You can still rank .com if you want to do it the hard way.

    PM me if you need help.
     
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  7. codo3500

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    Good luck getting decent hosting in AU without paying top dollar. It doesn't make a difference really, the AU TLD makes a huge difference however.
     
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    Get a .com.au domain and 301. It is better to get hosting from Australia.
     
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    Well it's best if you can get both the hosting + the domain extension.

    You'll have a hard time ranking with a .com on a US server for Google.com.au or any other localized Google.
     
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    okay so i've gone the 301 .au route but one more question:

    do i get a .au domain and redirect that domain to the .com?

    or do i have to transfer all files to the .au and 301 the .com to the new domain?

    i'd rather do the .au redirect to the .com and have the .com rank (for technical reasons) but if i have to, ill do it the other way and transfer the site to the .au and redirect the .com towards it.


    thanks for all your input!
     
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    anyone else?
     
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    1. You need not to have a AUS hosting..
    2. Go to google webmaster world and set "AUS" as your targeted country
    3. Get some .au links

    it should do the trick for you.







    If you are going by redirection method. You have to put all the files to your .au domain and then redirect .com to .au....as your back links are in .com domain..we need to pass that link juice to your new domain...
     
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    I cant use GWT to change geo location because the domain is a cloaked domain. The instant I add it to GWT, it gets deindexed so thats not an option. I realize the best thing to do is to 301 redirect the .com to the .au but it will be a technical nightmare due to the current cloaking. Anyone else know if 301 redirecting a .com.au will pass on the "geo" benefit to a US hosted .com site?
     
  14. badrx

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    are there reasonable amount of search queries for the KW you are trying to rank on google US? because if you rank well in US dosn't mean you rank well in AU if there are less amount of search queries on US domain for your KWs.. crawlers won't give it priority.
     
  15. badrx

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    hmm I want to add on this subject a lil more.. if you have russian backlinks for your AU website there are 2 possible outcomes:
    1- Your Anchor text (KW) is popular in russia.. let say you are ranking the word (IT service) then you will get every drop of juice you seek from these russian links in your own localized google. you might not rank well in google .ru but you probably will rank much better in google .au for having quality links that bring juice and pass pr.
    2-Your anchor text isn't popular in russia (IT service in Melborn) . not many people search for that in russia so your links whatever their pr sources aren't of much value.. crawlers will just not look at them and juice will not pass through them.. their value is just complete waste of money. unless you find a way to increase their value in google .ru by auto searching for them your self so google crawlers will think that this is a new trend and give it more value (takes time)

    this is what I think in your case here.. you can apply this to your scenario and let me know what you find out
     
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    Hmm.. I remember reading somewhere that google also looks at the footprint IP. (your IP)

    I don't remember the details but it had to do with ranking in local searches.
     
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    they do look for footprint .. but that can be easily covered with proxy services
     
  18. krzysiekz

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    Interesting question, given that you can't use GWT to set it to Australian (which is what I was going to recommend). Having a .com.au I don't believe is necessary. I see plenty of .com's ranking in Google Australia search results. However, naturally, when Googling for city specific terms, in your case "Melbourne" you do expect most/all of the sites to be .com.au (that is, it if is a service or product that is sold locally). When thinking about it, this makes sense - and I would not be surprised if Google has this in some form in their algo.

    I personally feel swapping to an AU host would help, but I have no evidence on this. Mostly I feel it would help because you're obviously going to be targeting AU visitors, so having AU hosting will result in a quicker load time --> lower bounce rate, which I believe to be one ranking factor.

    So, basically it would improve the speed for Australian users. Additionally, Google may or may not see that it is hosted in Australia. If they do look at it though, then it might be worthwhile making the switch for this reason alone.

    At the end of the day, it might be worth a shot. Goodluck!
     
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    I am also looking for same info but I am trying to rank in .de. Though, I have started directly with a .de domain.

    A bit difficult to find Country TLD based backlinks.