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Interesting SEO Find. Maybe a new Strategy for all of us....

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by wasted, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. wasted

    wasted Jr. Executive VIP

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    Hey Guys,

    For those that know my history, I've had a pretty massive SEO portfolio. A good amount of sites both EMD and Authority.
    Throughout the past year I lost about 50% of my sites in Google that were EMD or micro niche. My Authority sites seem to still be holding up with Page One rankings.

    However, here is the kicker, so we are all apart of "forced" linking, when we use services and software to create link patterns and strategies. While some of them are now being penalized by Google, I still have ALL #1 or at least top 5 rankings in Bing and Yahoo.

    I mean.... even sitewide PR linking for 10,000's of links is still working.

    I used to have a solid strategy that would cost me $20-$35 for a #1 ranking, that still works in Bing.

    So, in my calculations I see a ratio of about 6:1 (US) and 10:1 (global), so for example, a keyword getting 10,000 uniques per month, in Bing and Yahoo will be 1600 US and 1000 global. Of course 1st positions are only going to get about half of that.

    So here is the strategy:

    get on MSN adcenter and Yahoo, and start putting together large lists of keywords so that the Numbers ADD UP. Then just concentrate specifically on bing and Yahoo using the same force backlinking methods like always..... if you get lucky with google you get lucky.

    I'm going to give it a go on a 100,000 word site targeting around 100 keywords, total search volume will be 150,000 uniques.

    I'll let you know how it goes.
     
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  2. Ghoast

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    Please keep us updated with how this goes. Personally I have found that Bing and Yahoo can be pretty random, actually very random. I will have all first page top 3 listings for keywords of a site on G, but when I check Bing and Yahoo only one or two keywords will be first page, the others won't even be ranking. Anyone care to share any Yahoo/Bing SPECIFIC methods? For instance anyone found they sway more towards heavily 'socially marketed' sites etc..?
     
  3. Z0mbie

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    I've been thinking about it as well, one of my sites that got hit by penguin 3 still pulls in decent traffic from bing and yahoo.

    However, it's a niche thing. Some niches have very less traffic on bing and yahoo while some are comparatively more, compared to google.

    Why are you using adcenter, if I may ask? To build keyword lists? Bing has a keyword tool as well, which while nowhere near as useful as adwords keyword tool, is still pretty decent.
     
  4. wasted

    wasted Jr. Executive VIP

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    Well,

    if you use there Bing Intelligence tool it is a pretty good excel plugin to give you ideas on the keywords.

    http://advertise.bingads.microsoft.com/en-us/bingads-downloads/bingads-intelligence

    I agree it is hit or miss in some niches, I find that if I have a good social profile and some good bookmarks, mixed with anchor diversity and link diversity, web 2.0s, profiles, high PR links... I have no problems with Bing/Yahoo
     
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    Subscribed. =)
     
  6. rockong

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    Sounds interesting..will have to check back on this thread for your update
     
  7. Moriarty79

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    Agreed. I have been wondering for quite a while why Google would see one of my sites as worthy of a good ranking but Bing and Yahoo won't touch it. Just a couple of weeks ago I created a Bing Webmaster Tools account and I have started to submit the XML sitemaps of all my sites to Bing through that. Where possible, ie when the site is a local business, I have also been submitting to Bing and Yahoo Local. I am hoping this will help.
     
  8. Tangy

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    Interested to see how this goes, Wasted.

    In regards to determining what ranks on Bing - this isn't all that tough and it's the exact same approach for any other search engine.

    1) Head to ahrefs or majestic and buy yourself an account

    2) Run the top 3 URLs for your keyword

    3) Look for trends, and try to get your page on all of the same links that the top results have their pages linked on

    This is all I've ever done and it's worked out fine. Of course some of our portfolio of sites have taken a shit because of algorithm updates and Penguin, etc. as well.

    Ranking on Bing (and Yahoo!)... it's not that tough.
     
  9. Getwhatchuwant

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    Yeah I have noticed that, we were neg seo'd and it pretty much screwed up our google rankings but all rankings holding firm or better in yahoo/bing
     
  10. Windmill

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    Experienced a similar thing. My old microniche strategy works in bing/yahoo quite well. Still seems a bit random on just WHERE I land on the first page, but yeah. The problem is finding numbers worth it. The CTR is much worse AND the search numbers are low. I can only imagine huge KW's would have numbers worth while for targeting tbh.
     
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    Bing/Yahoo is fairly simple.

    1) Title tag and domain, Exact Match
    2) Force High PR links, even go buy a few permanent links.
    3) High PR Blog Comments
     
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    Yes, it is very useful for me, Thank you
     
  13. radarsurge

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    subscribed. Keep us posted.
     
  14. RankGeek

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    Awesome, man! I've been looking at Bing and Yahoo too. One of my clients was frustrated with Google since it was showing him results according to his search pattern :D The only tragedy is that the other search engines aren't showing any signs of getting close to Big G in terms of service levels!
     
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    Finding ranking on Google is as simple as it ever was. (the only thing that has really changed is the need for a "better" quality of links - but that's a whole other page)
    That's unless you are trying to do it with 2011 methods of course.
    But like the idea of diversifying traffic sources. A very good point and something anyone who wants to mitigate business risk should do.

    Nice post!.

    Scritty
     
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    This is why i started work on all my old sites again. They're still getting a trickle of traffic from yahoo and Bing. Realistically, if i get them to position 1 in yahhoo/bing i could be earning more with them again, so fuck Google.
     
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    Interesting alternative method, Bookmarked this thread.
     
  18. Pash1981

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    I have often wondered this. There are still some niches that get that much search volume that it is still worth putting the money in for the traffic you get from Bing and Yahoo alone. If this is the case, who cares if you get penalised in Google.

    I do however only see this getting out of hand and forcing Bing and Yahoo to up their game and start handing out penalties also.
     
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    what is your favorite kind of blasting to rank in yahoo/bing? guestbooks? profiles? comments?
     
  20. sixalarm

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    I've noticed the same thing. I'm in the process of building a test site solely for Bing. Honestly, if you're mainly targeting US traffic then it might not be a bad business plan. Bing and Yahoo are reported to account for 30% share of the US market.

    Also Bing is slowly but steadily increasing its market share and as long as its gaining momentum microsoft is going to continue pumping money into it. So its not like you're targeting a sinking ship.