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Why have you stoped runing automation tools for your clients ?
 
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Why have you stoped runing automation tools for your clients ?

Hello,

Because when I started doing that the Instagram algorithm was different than today. Well, there are a lot of people that says that botting doesn't work, that isn't true at all, it keep working as long as you do it well and targeted. But isn't recommended, why?

1. Low organich reach (unless you have a very very good account, or you are a hot woman)
2. Low engagement rate
3. May cause your account being banned
4. Lower the possibilities of being verified some day.
5. Shadowbans and also basically client "lose" his/her account because their accounts are following a bunch of people they are not interested in. And their feed is filled with posts they don't want to see.

Hope I've clarified your doubt. Else let me know if you have any further questions.

Cheers,
David.
 

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how many new follower do you get on average per child account per day?
 

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Hello, let me introduce myself: I'm fairly new here as a registered member in BHW but I've been learning here for a long while. I'll do my best in order to help everyone I can. Important to say that everything will be based in my experience also IMO. As soon as I reached the minimum requirements, I will upgrade to JR. VIP member.

Milestone: I want to master "the art" of Mother-Slave IG marketing strategy.

I'm 25 years old. I was an influencer/youtuber, I used to matched betting, cryptocoins, actually running my own SMMA, IG expert in general(marketing, engagement, etc), recently got my IT engineer degree, 3D animator/graphic designer/web developer and designer degree, video editor, Instagram Ads and Facebook Ads Expert(I've been doing FB ads for more than 5 years ago with excellent results and IG ads since first day of being available in my country).

NOTE: Please let me know if I make something that is against of BHW rules. Also English is not my first language, but I have advanced writing level. Nevertheless, sorry for any grammar mistake along the thread.

For anyone interested in the results of each stage:

INFLUENCER/YOUTUBER: 40k FB followers(fb page) and 10k YouTube subscribers in 1 month with $100 FB ads investment. IG was too new those days in my country, it wasn't worth it to use then. I retired because I couldn't handle University with high grades because of a scholarship and being an influencer. I decided to go with University.

Matched betting: I steadily earned $2k USD/week for 6 months until it becomes unavailable in my country. I was only 22 years old. Yes, I was living a dream.

Cryptocoins: I found a cheap source for buying bitcoins. I used to buy/sell bitcoin locally. I was steadily earning $1k monthly with just like 2hrs of efforts daily. Stopped doing that, because BitCoin Wallets was restricted here.

SMMA: I'm running my own SMMA for like 2 years now. All of my clients have more than 50k IG/FB followers each (unless for a new one I acquired the last week). 2 of them are verified in IG and FB. 400k is the biggest IG account and 300k is the biggest FB account until now. For the 300k FB page account just took 3 months to achieve that growth starting from 8k. This is my passion!

IG/IG ads expert: I've been studying/applying IG and all his secrets/algorithms changes for almost 3 years now. Thanks to my engineer's degree I can understand "beyond that" the IG thing.

FB/FB ads expert: I've been studying/applying FB ads for more than 5 years ago. I've discovered more secrets that I could think of even exist or can be applied/exploit about it.

Bachelor/University's degrees: I graduated from school when I was 15 yrs old, so I had a lot of time to study so much things.

MILESTONE:

Again, I want to master "the art" of Mother-Slave IG marketing strategy. Also called Mother-Child Accounts Strategy for outstanding IG growth.

ACCOUNTS CREATION PROCESS:

I make all my Instagram accounts manually. I'll like in future to write a program in order to do this, but I just don't have the time for it at this moment. So I'll be thinking in hiring someone for this maybe.

PV loops:

This process is solved manually too. I have 10 phones for this, and unlimited real simcards.

PROXIES:

Home IPs
IPv6
IPv4
Residential Proxies.

BOT:

FL, GMT2, iGramTool all the tools, Jarvee

Server:

1 VPS 4 vCores, 8192 MB, 100 GB SSD, Windows 2012 R2 Licensed. Also personal server.

MONETIZATION:

SMMA services. Focused in IG growthment.

WHERE AM I AT THIS MOMENT:

170 child accounts created, 87 warming up with almost 3000 followers in total running for a week now. Rest of the accounts are just being aged.

Main accounts: Almost 600.000 followers in total.

Maybe I'm missing things. And don't want to make this intro larger.

If you want to know something related on any of these topics, don't hesitate to ask on this thread. Even this thread is mainly focused in IG, I'll answer any question I can :)
what's a mother-slave strategy? I think I know what it is but I want to make sure because everyone names strategies however they please all the time
 
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Hello, I will answer your 2 questions with 1 answer:

Mother-Slave IG marketing strategy means creating "child accounts" also called "secondary accounts" and/or "FanPage accounts" that will drive traffic to a main account.

Basically, you create a bunch of IG accounts, commonly 100's child accounts that will serve as "little fan page accounts", using them you have to apply certain strategies in order to drive traffic to your main account. I will try to explain it better with an example:

With just 1 IG account you can (if done right) follow 800-1200 accounts per day, with a follow back ratio of 5-50% depending on the niche, btw 50% is very weird. IMO it generally tends to be 5-10% followback ratio, that means you will be growing in avg. 80-120 followers per day. Also let me explain to you that botting or manually do the follow/unfollow strategy in the main account isn't recommended at all.

Now imagine having just 100 IG "child accounts" where if done right you can follow at least 300-400 accounts daily in EACH account, that will means 30.000-40.000 DAILY new IG accounts creating brand awareness of your business/ig account.

I hope I explained it well. Let me know if you have further questions.

Cheers,
David.

how many new follower do you get on average per child account per day?

Hello,

I don't have numbers at this moment, or they are very irrelevant. All the child accounts are fairly new and they are warming up.

Btw, I'll be posting updates daily.

Cheers,
David.

what's a mother-slave strategy? I think I know what it is but I want to make sure because everyone names strategies however they please all the time

Hello,

I've answered this already, I have quoted the message of the answer here. Hope it helps for you. Else let me know.

Cheers,
David.
 

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Hi, David! Where are you from?

I'M starting my own SMMA too haha. There IS a lot of threads here explaining some interesting methods that you can-should apply (just check the @proxified or @babs posts, you will learn a lot!!).

I wish you luck!

Btw, may I ask you how much are you charging your clients for the slave accounts service?

EDIT: Oh, and about the ads, I would like to learn how FB ads work... What was the best course/book for you? What helped you the most?
 
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Hi, David! Where are you from?

I'M starting my own SMMA too haha. There IS a lot of threads here explaining some interesting methods that you can-should apply (just check the @proxified or @babs posts, you will learn a lot!!).

I wish you luck!

Btw, may I ask you how much are you charging your clients for the slave accounts service?

EDIT: Oh, and about the ads, I would like to learn how FB ads work... What was the best course/book for you? What helped you the most?

Hi,

I'm from Colombia. For charging your clients you must have into account the "raw" costs involved of you, each person have their own costs, so it can't be a standard price. I can tell you that you can charge hundreds or even thousands depending on the quality of the service. This method isn't easy to apply and it gives extremely good results for clients, so it must be pricey.

On the other hand, when I started learning it was other days, but I learned like the 60% of what I know now from Jerry Banfield, and own experience. I want to tell you something before you start doing FB ads, and its that the fb ads algorithm I really think that not even Facebook's Engineers itself understand how it works at this moment haha, because when you are doing that a lot of illogical things happens.

Also Vilma Núñez is a good reference but their courses are in Spanish.

I don't know who in this moment is like "the guru" of Facebook ads because I'm not studying it anymore. I keep updating myself with Neil Patel, Jon Loomer, Jerry Banfield and YouTube Videos when I have a specific topic to search about.

Cheers,

David.
 

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Hi,

I'm from Colombia. For charging your clients you must have into account the "raw" costs involved of you, each person have their own costs, so it can't be a standard price. I can tell you that you can charge hundreds or even thousands depending on the quality of the service. This method isn't easy to apply and it gives extremely good results for clients, so it must be pricey.

On the other hand, when I started learning it was other days, but I learned like the 60% of what I know now from Jerry Banfield, and own experience. I want to tell you something before you start doing FB ads, and its that the fb ads algorithm I really think that not even Facebook's Engineers itself understand how it works at this moment haha, because when you are doing that a lot of illogical things happens.

Also Vilma Núñez is a good reference but their courses are in Spanish.

I don't know who in this moment is like "the guru" of Facebook ads because I'm not studying it anymore. I keep updating myself with Neil Patel, Jon Loomer, Jerry Banfield and YouTube Videos when I have a specific topic to search about.

Cheers,

David.
Oh, great! I'm spanish, so the language won't be a problem!! Thanks for the answer, I will check their books now haha
I will keep visiting your thread, I'm sure that I Will learn some things from you, as you seem to know what you are doing haha
 
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UPDATE:

Sept 10th, 2018


Total accounts created: 244 (+31) (I got 3 accounts banned)
Total accounts being used: 105 (same)
Total Followers child accounts: 3539 (+465)
Total Followers main accounts: 568.847 (+489)
Loops(EV/PV): Just 2 accounts got loops. Lowest value ever since I started my journey. It feels great :)

I couldn't add more accounts for being used because I had to work on other stuff. Also I felt tired all the day. But I'll be adding 50 more by today hopefully.

Cheers,
David.
 
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UPDATE:

Sept 11th, 2018


Total accounts created: 301 (+57) (I got 1 account banned)
Total accounts being used: 131 (+26)
Total Followers child accounts: 4190 (+651)
Total Followers main accounts: 569.252 (+405)
Loops(EV/PV): More than 10 accounts waiting for verification.:)


Cheers,
David.
 

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Hello,

I've answered this already, I have quoted the message of the answer here. Hope it helps for you. Else let me know.

Cheers,
David.
yep, looks like the strategy I call "spiderweb" but basically exactly what you just described. Just trying this strategy out, any tips?
 
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yep, looks like the strategy I call "spiderweb" but basically exactly what you just described. Just trying this strategy out, any tips?
Hello,

Well that's a very broad question/suggestion. I think it will be best if you have any concern(no matter what) and I'll try to help you.

Cheers,

David.
 

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Hello! I saw that you are very experienced with Instagram and would like to ask you something if you have time ofcourse. I am new in the "IG game" (botting from less than month now). I struggle with few things:
1. A quick question about hashtags, I am currently using 5 high posts, 10 medium and 5 low posts hashtags is this okay "tactic"?
2. I struggle alot with followback rate, can't reach more than 13% followback by following accounts with 7%+ engagement rate, is it possible the reason for that to be having only 200 followers? Because with my another account i have 1100 and reach 30% followback by following 4% eng rate acc only.
3. I struggle alot with researching a good sources to follow, is there anything that can make this process easier? ( Currently doing it manually)

I would appreciate all kind of help
Thanks for your time!
 
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Hello! I saw that you are very experienced with Instagram and would like to ask you something if you have time ofcourse. I am new in the "IG game" (botting from less than month now). I struggle with few things:
1. A quick question about hashtags, I am currently using 5 high posts, 10 medium and 5 low posts hashtags is this okay "tactic"?
2. I struggle alot with followback rate, can't reach more than 13% followback by following accounts with 7%+ engagement rate, is it possible the reason for that to be having only 200 followers? Because with my another account i have 1100 and reach 30% followback by following 4% eng rate acc only.
3. I struggle alot with researching a good sources to follow, is there anything that can make this process easier? ( Currently doing it manually)

I would appreciate all kind of help
Thanks for your time!
Hello,

First of all thanks for reviewing my posts :), now:

1. First of all, IG algorithm had changed (again). In fact, it changed the last week about Hashtag. As a rule of thumb you must use ONLY between 3-5 hashtags per post. You are using a lot! If they are high, medium or low, well... it matters but not a lot. The things is that you are overusing them. So, now that I can guess you will be using a lot less hashtags per post, you must use variations of them. I mean, never use the same hashtags in every post. That will be completely useless, you have to randomize them.

2. The most eng. accounts tend to have the most eng. users (at least that's what logic tell us). There is weird, I'll just advice to change the sources and test. Personally I don't look so much at the engagement rate, for my sources (as per my business I need a lot of them) I just search for the most related or the most competitor of my business. I've been doing this and results are good enough. Nevertheless, just change the sources. Also may I ask, you have been doing botting for a month in the account of 200 followers?.

3. For hashtags sources you can go with Hashtags Fillistudios, it will give you related hashtags with yours (remember you can use hashtags as follow sources) For finding user I'll go with iGramTool Source Finder Tool by @mihai1497 it does a very good job finding them. He also offers an "Engagement Rate tool" for free when you bought the first tool mentioned, which helps you filter out those resources found with Source Finder Tool considering their eng. rate.

Pls let me know if you have further questions or if I wasn't clear enough.

Cheers,
David.
 

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Hello,

First of all thanks for reviewing my posts :), now:

1. First of all, IG algorithm had changed (again). In fact, it changed the last week about Hashtag. As a rule of thumb you must use ONLY between 3-5 hashtags per post. You are using a lot! If they are high, medium or low, well... it matters but not a lot. The things is that you are overusing them. So, now that I can guess you will be using a lot less hashtags per post, you must use variations of them. I mean, never use the same hashtags in every post. That will be completely useless, you have to randomize them.

2. The most eng. accounts tend to have the most eng. users (at least that's what logic tell us). There is weird, I'll just advice to change the sources and test. Personally I don't look so much at the engagement rate, for my sources (as per my business I need a lot of them) I just search for the most related or the most competitor of my business. I've been doing this and results are good enough. Nevertheless, just change the sources. Also may I ask, you have been doing botting for a month in the account of 200 followers?.

3. For hashtags sources you can go with Hashtags Fillistudios, it will give you related hashtags with yours (remember you can use hashtags as follow sources) For finding user I'll go with iGramTool Source Finder Tool by @mihai1497 it does a very good job finding them. He also offers an "Engagement Rate tool" for free when you bought the first tool mentioned, which helps you filter out those resources found with Source Finder Tool considering their eng. rate.

Pls let me know if you have further questions or if I wasn't clear enough.

Cheers,
David.

Thanks for the answers, I'll start asap to fix my mistakes!
I thought that using more hashtags gives me more opportunities, sounds like I need to follow instagram news about algo changes. I created account by myself and i was warming it up, before i start to follow. I started follow action before 3 days and got 100 followers since then (followed 750 people) my current settings are:
- 3-9 followers at once
- 1-3 mins delay between operations
- 21-48 seconds delay between actions

My plan is to expand follow action by 50 per day until i reach 600/actions a day. Still wondering how to do it tho , follow+unfollow or 1 day follow, 1 day unfollow.
I will take a look at these tools, thank you very much!
 
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Thanks for the answers, I'll start asap to fix my mistakes!
I thought that using more hashtags gives me more opportunities, sounds like I need to follow instagram news about algo changes. I created account by myself and i was warming it up, before i start to follow. I started follow action before 3 days and got 100 followers since then (followed 750 people) my current settings are:
- 3-9 followers at once
- 1-3 mins delay between operations
- 21-48 seconds delay between actions

My plan is to expand follow action by 50 per day until i reach 600/actions a day. Still wondering how to do it tho , follow+unfollow or 1 day follow, 1 day unfollow.
I will take a look at these tools, thank you very much!
Hello,

About "give me more opportunities" that was in other days, today it changed.

Well your settings are good enough, before answering and helping you, are you using proxies? If so, what kind of proxies? Or are you using your homeIP this will allow me to give my best recommendations to you.

Cheers,
David.
 

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Hello thanks for sharing and good luck in your journey.
I want to ask you from where you buy bitcoin cheap
 

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Hello,

About "give me more opportunities" that was in other days, today it changed.

Well your settings are good enough, before answering and helping you, are you using proxies? If so, what kind of proxies? Or are you using your homeIP this will allow me to give my best recommendations to you.

Cheers,
David.

My plan on account creation is to create them with residential proxies (from geosurf) and agent spoofer (android kitkat or iphone 6) , let them rest 2 months after creation then switch to ipv4 datacenter proxy and warmup for a week. Still not sure if this works, because my accounts still rest, i am a bit sceptic because i got PV (i verificated them) on them right after acc creation which i think isn't a good sign at all. Currently running 2 accounts - one on my home ip (1100 followers) and this one with 200 followers on a ipv4 datacenter proxy.
 
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Hello thanks for sharing and good luck in your journey.
I want to ask you from where you buy bitcoin cheap

Hello, glad to share my knowledge :)

Well, I bought them from localbitcoins, the thing is that because of money exchange and economy of my country they was a more cheaper than any place in the planet (except for China of course). I mean, people used to earn bitcoins here, and they wanted to sell them as quick as possible for real money so they sold them very cheap on those days, then I bought them and sell them :)

My plan on account creation is to create them with residential proxies (from geosurf) and agent spoofer (android kitkat or iphone 6) , let them rest 2 months after creation then switch to ipv4 datacenter proxy and warmup for a week. Still not sure if this works, because my accounts still rest, i am a bit sceptic because i got PV (i verificated them) on them right after acc creation which i think isn't a good sign at all. Currently running 2 accounts - one on my home ip (1100 followers) and this one with 200 followers on a ipv4 datacenter proxy.

Hello,

Good plan for acc creation let me say :)

Second, I wouldn't leave them for 2 months I thing is a lot, with just 1 month is enough IMO. Let me correct you, got PV after account creation isn't a bad or good sign, it just happened to you and that's it. But that means nothing. I have the both cases, where I created accounts and they never just got PV once (banned after a while) also PV loops constantly (same, banned). IMO and for what I have read all along the way, is literally like a random thing. Look, Instagram is worth more than 100 BILLION dollars, Don't you think they have smart enough algorithm to detects bots/proxies/etc? They do... I have got banned accounts that I've never think of possible of being banned. It just a game of numbers, save this in you mind "For each account that IG bans you, add 3 more to them =) "

For home IP, In my experience you can go for 800-1200 follows per day. In IPv4 I went to the mark of 700-1000. With no problems. Things to take in mind? Well, scale up slow and gradually. Also don't ever use shared proxies, use dedicated ones for that amount of follows.

Finally, about follow+unfollow same day, yes, you can do that but not at the same time. You can do like 10hrs following + 6hr unfollowing, or even 12hrs following + 8hr unfollowing. Leave at least 4 rest hours. Rest, start slow and scale slow and gradually :)

Cheers,
David.
 
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