Insights about the decline of Expir*ED* domains

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Nowadays, we all know that it's extremely difficult to find good expired domains. I think that this is probably because of huge scrapers working day and night looking for expir*ING* domains, which makes almost impossible a POWERFUL domain to expire without them backordering blazingly fast (mostly of them are registrars like name.com, namebright, … (which have better and faster tools to picking those domains faster that you ever could without that registrar status)

So, basically, I feel that things are becoming extremely hard in this sense, making most newcomers feel that expired domains have become useless.

Also, another problem I see, is that people pretend to get reputation exclusively from big media and only find value there (like a good backlinking profile from NY Times, and all that) when sometimes, you can find some reputation through a couple of medium-sized not very popular specialized niche sites who not many people scrape so frequently. But now many tools in CMS and SEO tools include simple 404/error monitors so many webmasters have been solving this for a good while to the point that I could say that in the past years, my domain stock value has been decrease at least by 50% for the reduction of incoming backlinks (the ones that have been repaired). This doesn't happen with media sites, which never modify their archive, which makes them specially valuable.

Although as I said, expired domains scraping is becoming each day more difficult and less profitable. 3 years ago, I used to use a scraper like DHG every single day, and today I barely use it in my VPS not more than once a month (I'm spending domdetailer credits like mad for pure LQ results).

I only see one bright side on all this topic: like with GOLD, when gems became scarce they increase in value. So maybe right now, it's a bad moment because they are not that valuable yet for the ratio of finding/cost, and you can find some good domains in auctions for a reasonable price. But maybe in the future, one single gem will be too expensive in the expiring market and then, going back to scraping expired could be super worthy again (we can also clearly see an increasing tendency on expiring every year).

What do I use expir*ED* for now? To find nice domains for new niches which already have a little reputation but don't make me start from scratch. For example, last week I needed a very specific vertical niche domain and instead of buying a brand-new domain, I found 3 expired domains with TF10 CF2, and I took the most appealing name which fitted PERFECTLY my niche. I could have gone with any of my bigger and more reputable domains in my stock, but the domains names are completely rubbish. This search cost me exactly 1K domdetailer credits (slightly less than $1) + the .COM register (which I had to do anyway). So basically, head starting for just $1 fits perfectly in my microniching strategy.
 

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you can find some good domains in auctions for a reasonable price

I knew only this method, can you explain about scrapping? You're doing it yourself to save money? Bigger choice?

Expired domains seem very powerfull (even if some people are complaining about their efficiency on the forum last days) because when I'm finding a website with insanse stats : it's 95% from expired domain (most of the time irrelvant btw...).
 

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I knew only this method, can you explain about scrapping? You're doing it yourself to save money? Bigger choice?
There are plenty of scrapers, like DHG and Scrapebox addon.

Also my good fellow countryman @marcus7777 has a killer scraper, that I need to review further (my shame!)

Obviously you can also code it by yourself, but given the amount of scrapers I think you can find someone that fits your budget.
 

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There are plenty of scrapers, like DHG and Scrapebox addon.

Also my good fellow countryman @marcus7777 has a killer scraper, that I need to review further (my shame!)

Obviously you can also code it by yourself, but given the amount of scrapers I think you can find someone that fits your budget.

From your experience, can you explain (in short) the advantages of scrapping expired domain name compare to site auction? You're spending more time, but you're early and pay less?
 

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From your experience, can you explain (in short) the advantages of scrapping expired domain name compare to site auction? You're spending more time, but you're early and pay less?
You don't spend time. You leave the scraper looking for domains on auto.
There is also a problem with auction nowadays. Many people just spot good domains based on others bids exclusively.
So obviously I'm not a good fan of expiring but I had to admit that expired have declined a lot in the past few years because of the rise of auctions probably (they impressively are able to spot every single expiring domain I've found ever). Their crawlers are massive.
 

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Nowadays, we all know that it's extremely difficult to find good expired domains. I think that this is probably because of huge scrapers working day and night looking for expir*ING* domains, which makes almost impossible a POWERFUL domain to expire without them backordering blazingly fast (mostly of them are registrars like name.com, namebright, … (which have better and faster tools to picking those domains faster that you ever could without that registrar status)

So, basically, I feel that things are becoming extremely hard in this sense, making most newcomers feel that expired domains have become useless.

Also, another problem I see, is that people pretend to get reputation exclusively from big media and only find value there (like a good backlinking profile from NY Times, and all that) when sometimes, you can find some reputation through a couple of medium-sized not very popular specialized niche sites who not many people scrape so frequently. But now many tools in CMS and SEO tools include simple 404/error monitors so many webmasters have been solving this for a good while to the point that I could say that in the past years, my domain stock value has been decrease at least by 50% for the reduction of incoming backlinks (the ones that have been repaired). This doesn't happen with media sites, which never modify their archive, which makes them specially valuable.

Although as I said, expired domains scraping is becoming each day more difficult and less profitable. 3 years ago, I used to use a scraper like DHG every single day, and today I barely use it in my VPS not more than once a month (I'm spending domdetailer credits like mad for pure LQ results).

I only see one bright side on all this topic: like with GOLD, when gems became scarce they increase in value. So maybe right now, it's a bad moment because they are not that valuable yet for the ratio of finding/cost, and you can find some good domains in auctions for a reasonable price. But maybe in the future, one single gem will be too expensive in the expiring market and then, going back to scraping expired could be super worthy again (we can also clearly see an increasing tendency on expiring every year).

What do I use expir*ED* for now? To find nice domains for new niches which already have a little reputation but don't make me start from scratch. For example, last week I needed a very specific vertical niche domain and instead of buying a brand-new domain, I found 3 expired domains with TF10 CF2, and I took the most appealing name which fitted PERFECTLY my niche. I could have gone with any of my bigger and more reputable domains in my stock, but the domains names are completely rubbish. This search cost me exactly 1K domdetailer credits (slightly less than $1) + the .COM register (which I had to do anyway). So basically, head starting for just $1 fits perfectly in my microniching strategy.
Then just buy dropped domains.

A lot cheaper as you only pay registration fee. No need to pay thousands for an expired domain
 

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A lot cheaper as you only pay registration fee. No need to pay thousands for an expired domain
Yeah, dropped domains could be a good idea for those that noone spot. But basically is the same as dropcatching by yourself, but with the handicap that you don't have the speed of a registrar :eek:
Still one of the best options, because as soon as you bid, any domain will be spotted by overbidders which may end lost ultimately unless you have plenty of faith on it (and others don't) or you have a good wallet on spot.
 

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Yeah, dropped domains could be a good idea for those that noone spot. But basically is the same as dropcatching by yourself, but with the handicap that you don't have the speed of a registrar :eek:
Still one of the best options, because as soon as you bid, any domain will be spotted by overbidders which may end lost ultimately unless you have plenty of faith on it (and others don't) or you have a good wallet on spot.
well, there are dropped domains with like 5-25 links and just cost like $10 to register, so it's worth it.

$100 gets you 50-250 referred domains :)
 

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Domains are expiring as usual. Harder to catch the good ones.
 

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Domains are expiring as usual. Harder to catch the good ones.
Yeah one time I was commenting this with some colleagues. Domains are always a business because of this. The problem is that dropcatchers have become much more sophisticated lately, meaning they are getting way harder to catch than not much ago. By 2019.-2020 I could be picking 2-3 quality domain per month with relative ease. Nowadays, I have months without a catch following almost the same method
 

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Yeah one time I was commenting this with some colleagues. Domains are always a business because of this. The problem is that dropcatchers have become much more sophisticated lately, meaning they are getting way harder to catch than not much ago. By 2019.-2020 I could be picking 2-3 quality domain per month with relative ease. Nowadays, I have months without a catch following almost the same method

That'd be because of time. Over the last 5-6 years, expired domains went from a little known method, to every new marketer reading that "If you buy an expired domain, you will rank". I was responding to a thread 2 days ago about a newer member believing they would rank solely on the basis of their expired domain.

That coupled with people scraping domains to flip them.
 

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Scrapping for HQ expired domains is dead since 2019....now I see domains that I used to catch daily with softwares like Desktop Catcher go for 800$ at auctions....what the actual fuck.
 

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Scrapping for HQ expired domains is dead since 2019....now I see domains that I used to catch daily with softwares like Desktop Catcher go for 800$ at auctions....what the actual fuck.
Yep, we are facing this issue nowadays. Although I think that the actual scrapping methods shall be updated. It's not as straight forward as two-three years ago.
 

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i am waiting for google will give no value to expire domain
 

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i am waiting for google will give no value to expire domain
Doesn't make any sense. Mistakenly, your domain could expire and then re-registered, would it have no value then?

Most new BH SEO foundations are starting to find value on logical expressions. Like PBN. Google will almost ever be able to identify those because they are common sense replicas.
 

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Doesn't make any sense. Mistakenly, your domain could expire and then re-registered, would it have no value then?

Most new BH SEO foundations are starting to find value on logical expressions. Like PBN. Google will almost ever be able to identify those because they are common sense replicas.

If you are dumb enough to forget to reregister a high-value domain, then you don't belong in this business IMHO.

There is absolutely no reason for that to happen, ever!!!
 

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If you are dumb enough to forget to reregister a high-value domain, then you don't belong in this business IMHO.

There is absolutely no reason for that to happen, ever!!!
Sometimes it's not a high value because someone had work on purpose but there mere existence. Classic example of this are churches sites, their management is not always the best and they expire accidentally.
 

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Sometimes it's not a high value because someone had work on purpose but there mere existence. Classic example of this are churches sites, their management is not always the best and they expire accidentally.
The thing is, you get so many notifications from your register to renew, if you missed all of them, it's on you...
 

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The thing is, you get so many notifications from your register to renew, if you missed all of them, it's on you...
I hate the "it's on you" attitude.

Life it's all about failovering: "everything is on you, nothing is on you". It's just about casuistic and how things are exactly.

And expired domains work; therefore, Google thinks the same as me which is wonderful. When Google thinks like you, penalizing the mistake of forgetting a renewal, then I will change my mind, and it will still be wonderful.
 

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well, there are dropped domains with like 5-25 links and just cost like $10 to register, so it's worth it.
Accurate, for example I bought an expired domain the other day for just $9.95 it was a former WordPress known profile that owned it, I get daily highly targeted visitors from it .. =)

And for that money I got a decent backlink profile:

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