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In My Case What Would You Do?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by MoreMoneyMoreProblem, Oct 15, 2009.

  1. MoreMoneyMoreProblem

    MoreMoneyMoreProblem BANNED BANNED

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    Alright so last Thursday I needed to have a new alternator belt put on my car and the only changed so I took it to a local shop in my town. They changed the belt and the oil within 2 hours and called me with a price of $66.90 which I paid in full.

    They tell me when I am up there I need a new waterpump, belts, 2 new valves. The waterpump issue wasn't surprising since I knew for a fact that it had been leaking for the past 2 months and since 1 of the belts went the other 2 where going to go but I had no clue about the valves. Anyways 4 hours later I get 25-30 minutes away from my house and my car completely shuts down and starts to smoke like crazy from the hood. Looks like I have a bonfire in my hood.

    I call them and I am like what the hell happened I gave you my car which WAS running perfectly other than my alternator belt and you give me back the car which seemed to be smoking a little more when I hit the gas, etc and now the whole car shut down and I am stranded and need a tow job. They come down to get my car and before they load it up on the roll back I ask how much the tow job will cost well their answer is I don't know just let us look at it tomorrow so I was like fine.

    There conclusion was that its needs a new water pump. I was like alright so I went and ordered a water pump which was $60 and they said labor would be $150 which was fine too. Well Tuesday they finally got to work on the vehicle and said it would be only a 3-4 hour job well 6PM they call when they have been working on my vehicle since 10AM and said its still over heated "a little" and I need a thermostat so I told them to get it.

    Now today they call me and tell me I have warped heads or blew the head gasket and said that they don't do this type of work and gave me a bill for the labor plus a tow job that they never gave me a price on that was $313 + tax. So now I am just thinking to leave it up there and not pay them because its not fixed, might blow up pulling out, and seems like they have messed with shit since it was running great Thursday morning. I believe they messed with other shit such as the water pump due to the fact them telling me its going bad when I told them to fix my alternator belt and change oil, nothing about the water pump.

    So now what do you guys think I should do? Leave the 1981 Oldsmobile with them, bring them the title, and save my $313 if they like it or not or pay the $313 for a car that still isn't fixed and it will cost another $500-600 to fix the problem IF i can find a used set of heads.
     
  2. Trueblood

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    you have an 81 olds? I would keep onto something that cherry.
     
  3. MoreMoneyMoreProblem

    MoreMoneyMoreProblem BANNED BANNED

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    Yeah it needs a paint job but the paint isn't bad just dull and the interior is pretty much mint. I just don't know what to do since it has a 5.7L Diesel under the hood. Want to buy it since I am in SC and your in NC ha. $500 and its yours and I will treat you to lunch.
     
  4. Cyber_Demon12

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    Lol. If you think they are fucking your car up, get it away from them ASAP. Take it to some other car repair shop and have them take a look at it and see whats all wrong...

    This is why I like working on my own car, that way no one can fuck with it, and if I fuck something up, I don't have anyone to blame but myself
     
  5. angelas111

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    what kind of motor does it have? a 305? if so you can find one for a couple hundred bucks and just have them put it in. was it able to crank after it shut down? did they do a compression test? i ask because this is part of what i do for the day job. i diagnose and manage repairs.

    where was it smoking from, the tailpipe or under the hood?
     
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    I'd let them have the car and cut my losses personally. Even dropping a used motor in, you can be buying into someone else's problems mate. It kind of comes down to whether the car is worth 1K to keep on the road, knowing that because of its age you could just be getting started with future part failures.
     
  7. angelas111

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    the answer depends on your situation, because unless you can buy a good enough car you could end up in the same scenario again a couple of months from now. is it in your budget to buy a new one?
     
  8. Remington

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    Like the old song says, "It ain't how ya look, it's whatya got under the hood!"

    It sounds like what's under the hood isn't worth keeping. I'd dump it.

    The scenario does sound very fishy though, so I'd try to find a way to keep *that* place from being able to refurbish it for sale as a collectible.
     
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  9. MoreMoneyMoreProblem

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    It currently has a 5.7L Diesel engine under the hood and the engine started smoking... but when i accelerated the exhaust smoked a lot more than usual too. I am used to a little bit of smoke due to the fact it was a diesel. I am thinking about going to the dealership and just putting a down payment on something because I am positive I can come up with $200-400 a month for a payment using BH.
     
  10. hennessy

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    Shady dealerships will do this. They will purposely break stuff on your car and be like, "oh, this, this and this is broken and if you don't get it fixed your car will blow up" and they get people who don't know much to just agree to it and have them fix it.

    This is why I have new cars and just take them to the dealerships for maintenance. It might cost a little more if I have to pay but I know it's being done right.
     
  11. jay101

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    Well since you might be parting with it anyways, you could always put that blackhat to work and pull a last minute doosey on them.

    Around my area, we have a news segment that exposes shady businesses. If you have one in your area, you could try and use it to your advantage.

    Call them up, tell them they've been part of an investigation of shady mechanics in the area. You had a small camera with audio planted in the vehichle which caught every moment they were around the car and under the hood.

    Tell them that as of now they have 2 options.

    1. Fix the car right, repair what they have done, and this will all go away on the promise that this will never happen again, because you will be following up with another car at any given time to make sure their on the up and up.

    2. We take the evidence at hand, and air the audio and video on the news exposing their business for their shady dealings and will forever wear the tag of a scammer in the area.

    Just a thought, maybe it would work, maybe not.
     
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  12. playercool

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    Well you have 5 options.

    One: Just go pay the money. You agreed to the repairs. Your car is messed up and you require more work still for it to run properly. Your heads are warped that is somewhat major. So with this option you are out $313 plus the work that is still required to repair the car. This option still might be cheaper than buying a new car. In fact it will probably be way cheaper.

    Two: Tell them to stick it you aren't paying the money and they can keep the car. They have a right to a mechanics lien anyways.

    Three: If they don't lock the car up in the shop at night just go up there and get in your car with your extra set of keys and take off.

    Four: Call the owner and talk to him. He does not want your car and will more than likely help you out a little. I am not saying he will do it all for free but he might come down to $250 or $200 especially if you tell him you are going to just leave it there with him instead of paying since you don't have that kind of money.

    Five: Pay the man and then file in small claims court. Hassle but there is a small chance you would win and he probably wouldn't even show which you win by default.

    I used to own an automotive shop. One time some dumb lady came in complaining how she was gonna sue me over $100 bucks. Well just the hassle is not worth $100 to me so I gave her 4 Free oil changes instead. I still came out way ahead since it cost me about $32 in materials to do those oil changes. If I had it to do over again I would have told her to fuck off. See the problem is she is upset with me and even after the freebies she would never return as a true customer. If she did follow through and sue no problem she can win by default.

    I always felt bad for my customers if shit like this happened. And yes it happens more than you think. Especially in the podunk town I was in where the average age of a vehicles was 10 years old. It happened that you would do something just as you described and then some other issue would arise. It was very annoying. Just part of the business I guess. I was normally very nice and cut my customers insane discounts. I would imagine that guy doesn't feel any remorse and just charged you full price. Some people are like that.

    On a completely different note: If all they did was an oil change and change your belt they did not mess your car up. If that is really all they did. I mean changing a belt? Come on it would be mighty difficult to mess something up. Hrmm but now that I am thinking about it...any chance you looked under your hood when your car started smoking? There is a chance your belt slipped off and that of course would cause your car to overheat. This could very well be their entire fault. I would bring this up with the owner. I would almost guarantee these are shady dudes if this happened and were like FUCK we messed up. If it was just workers I mean they only make $300 in an entire week. So it would be hard for them to come clean with the boss. They would just have to act like it was the car. Think about this for a while as this might be the answer.
     
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    ^ I like that idea the best. If you're thinking about just leaving it, you might as well do this. That is some fucked up shit that I would do.

    Edit: The hidden cam thing. lol.
     
  14. boo blizzi

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    well dog...i will be honest...the same thing happened to me b4 with an 86 blazer...the truth is if u needed a water pump...which helps with the cooling of the motor...it is possible the heads were warped prior to them doing the job...by them fixing ur alternator and giving u a fresh oil change that may have started things working properly and the engine just couldnt take it anymore...if i was u i would by a toyota (well actually i wouldnt buy anything less than a lexus but i dont know ur bank roll)
     
  15. angelas111

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    well, i don't know about your state. in ohio if you leave a car at a mechanic shop, they can file for an "abandoned vehicle title" and keep the car. it happens rather often. i have had people making payments to us and they leave the car at a mechanic. much of the time we will pay the bill and go repo the car.

    what price range of car are you wanting to buy? are you thinking of going to a buy here pay here dealership? if so, i can tell you anything you want to know.
     
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    The car is toast. It's an '81 and would not be worth a head gasket repair.

    Give the shop the title and find another ride for 500.00 or so.

    This 28 year old car has served it's purpose.
     
  18. whodi

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    Sounds like the mechanics arent to good either..... I would have automatically replaced the $8 thermostat when I did your water pump..... Hell I probably would have changed it when you informed me the car was overheating.... The thermostat for that car costs literally like $8 and installiation should not be more than 30min.
    Get a new mechanic. Keep your car, or sell it to me it would look great next to my Regals
     
  19. Hierarchy

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    go get a new car.. :)
     
  20. MoreMoneyMoreProblem

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    Yeah they told me it needed a new waterpump, then after that it was still overheating and they checked that by letting it run for 30 minutes in the bay :( and then it needed a new thermostat, and then came to the "conclusion" that is was my heads. They said they where gonna find out what was wrong with it in the beginning and didn't so I am guessing they didn't do a compression check.