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In Honor of the Repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell"

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by bigpurpleguy, Dec 19, 2010.

  1. bigpurpleguy

    bigpurpleguy Junior Member

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    im glad it got repealed. I'm not pro-gay, I'm just anti-pointless laws.
     
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    Which brings us back to "why" this is more important than ending the mindless war??
     
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    I'm not pro or against, but Don't Ask-Don't Tell did have a point. It's just that it's purpose has already been served and it's no longer needed.

    Before the policy, if a soldier was suspected of being gay he could be called in front of his superiors and questioned about it. If a soldier was found out to be gay he would automatically be discharged over it. I believe it was an "other than honorable" discharge.

    The reason for that was not just the fear or repulsion about it among the other soldiers, but also because It was seen as a security risk. At that time a gay soldier could potentially be a target for blackmail. The policy made it so that if a blackmailer did make the information known, the military was basically supposed to ignore it (don't ask). As long as a soldier didn't make a point of being openly gay (don't tell)he didn't have to worry about losing his career. With the new policy a gay soldier should no longer be susceptible to extortion. At least less so than before, it could still cause a lot of problems if a soldier was outed for it.

    In the 1980s there was no way the public or the military was going to accept openly gay soldiers, but general opinion regarding gays had softened enough to feel that as long as they stayed in the closet it was nobody elses business. It was a compromise law.

    Now they're repealing the law and ending up on the opposite side of where they started. Instead of just having to keep quiet about it gay soldiers don't need to worry about automatically being discharged. They also have less to fear from other soldiers because younger people are much more used to the idea and the system will be much more intolerant of any bigotry. Gay soldiers will still have problems, but not to the same extent as before.

    I don't know if gays in the military is a good idea or not. I wouldn't have liked it when I was in the military, but times have changed. It's certainly a big change for the modern military. Without the Don't Ask-Don't Tell policy though, it's unlikely the negative attitude toward gays in the military would have changed. So it wasn't really a pointless law.


    @OP - That is a funny video. LOL
     
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  5. tgarmon

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    I think we should have an all gay military no hetero at all.
     
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    Don't really need a military of gays.. Just make them all undercover. No one would ever think of gays being in the armed forces in America. Give them a gun and show them how to hide it.

    When war comes, send them in first and get in good with the main guy. When he gets a chance, shoot the guy in the head or stab the guy to death with his nails or some shit. And if the gay dies, who cares he was gay.. he won't be missed too much.

    OH YE forgot that every gay guy has AIDS... Just send them over there and let them get the main guy drunk and make him pass out.. then the gay guy rapes him... The guy will die a slow death but he will eventually die right? No one would ever know who gave him AIDS LOL!!
     
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    Yes I'm aware that there is a point. There is a point to every law. It was just a joke. I do understand and can sympathize with opposing viewpoints, however, I do still think it's better to be repealed because it's not going to make that big of a difference if it's in effect or not so why waste time with it? It can cause some problems, but honestly not that many to be of any significance.

    But wow, I didn't know you were in the military, thank you for your service sir :D
     
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    Exactly.

    The old policy had outlived its usefulness and was really pretty nasty in its implementation. DADT was stupid but convenient politically.

    I don't really like the legislative going against the wishes of the brass, but it is their prerogative and it is about time they got past it.
     
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    I am not an insider and I am wondering. If women use different facilities than men (like showers and so) it is most probably to avoid inapropriate sexual stuff. What will happen with the openly gay soldiers? They will have to have something similar i guess but that would be against the men / women separation idea. Or will gay females bunk with men and gay males with women? Or maybe men and women will have to shower together.

    It is kind of confusing.
     
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    having served in the military i don't think its a good idea. i have nothing against gays or anything as i have a couple of friends that are but it is not going to create a comfortable and productive environment for people in such close quarters.
     
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    Someone has to bring up the rear.