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IMPORTANT QUESTION REGARDING PBN Creation

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by cyrus451, Jan 23, 2017.

  1. cyrus451

    cyrus451 Junior Member

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    Hi all,

    Quick question.

    So I have been in the game awhile now and have always purchased pbn links from providers here and other places. My question involves building a pbn for multiple sites i own. Have any of you created your pbn to rank multiple sites you own or do you build one pbn per one site. My question is based on cost. So lets say I own 8 niche sites. Would I need to setup a pbn for EACH site or could I setup a personal pbn and link to each site I own from each domain. Possibly by creating say general blogs on the pbn domains with categories and add an article to each category and link back to my other niche sites. Or is it better to just have one domain and a few articles that link back to your main money site for just one niche? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Obviously if I spend 500$ to setup a pbn it would be cheaper then buying seo packages for 8 niche sites, which can run 1-200$ per package. Meaning 200$ x my 8 niche sites gets a bit expensive. Thanks!
     
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    Imagine if your PBN gets discovered and slapped, then you'll lose rankings on all 8 sites if they're all powered by one PBN.
     
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    True, but you can see my dilemma. Even if all pbn's are generic blogs? So im back at the same place. If i create lets say a 10 domain pbn for each niche site I own, the cost would be in the thousands. So im at a bit of a loss. Pay others for pbn links on public networks or create my own network which could cost thousands. ugh.
     
  4. Johnny_Tsunami

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    Best practice: 1 PBN website = 1 Link to 1 Niche site. Plain & Simple.

    This is the process I follow, and was recommended to me by @Nargil, the best PBN wizard around.

    Here's my steps for you:

    1. Buy expired domain
    2. Register + Set Up Host
    3. Install Blank WP, then I build out the website right then. I don't buy 10 domains and slowly do each one. I've found it's best to crank it out then. If you are going to outsource site creation, do it immediately, don't dilly daddle.
    4. Post a single, niche relevant, high quality 750+ word article with an embedded relevant video + 1-3 relevant images + 1-2 Authority OBL (If you see fit)
    5. Let it age - I let my post/website age 1-2 weeks generally after the initial post, but it's up to you.
    6. Post another high-quality article, using best practices for everything (Anchor text, embedded images/videos/, OBL, etc.) that has ONE contextual link to your money site.
    7. Maintain your PBN - once you link to your money site - be sure to post 1-2 300+ articles on your PBN every few weeks. This makes the site look more legitimate, and is one of the things many people don't do - They link to their niche site and then just ignore the PBN forever. Why? Keep that juice flowing smoothly with updates

    But yes, one PBN site = One link to one money site..

    You can tread carefully and maybe link to two (or more) RELEVANT money sites from one PBN - but again, that's at your discretion. The big G could slap them all and you'd be screwed. Or they couldn't, and you could save money/time. Up to you. Follow the best practices or take shortcuts, that's IM in a nutshell.
     
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    That is true, I appreciate the reply. So in short I am going to be paying either way lol. God IM is expensive to play the game.
     
  6. Johnny_Tsunami

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    Technically, you could build a PBN without shelling out a lot, but that takes time, effort, and a lot of research. There are plenty of $1 a month hosts, $1 500-word articles, $10 site build-outs, etc that you can utilize to save money and/or time, but again, it's all up to how you want to go about it.

    Obviously, plan to spend $10~ on domain registrations for every PBN website yearly, Anywhere from $12-20+ yearly for each site for hosting (Depends on tons of factors - shared hosting, cloudflare, incapsula, etc etc), And I would recommend either outsourcing site build out or content, or both. The time it takes for you to build out a decent-looking wordpress site with some social media pages is better spent researching/learning/doing other things than the $10 it would cost.

    Just think of it this way: give yourself an hourly wage that you think suits your skills, talents, and abilities. Let's say you think you're worth $20/hour based on your effort/experience/etc. Apply that hourly wage to everything you do. Does it take an hour for you to write a 500-word "okay" quality article? Then outsource it for $20 instead and get an awesome 1000 word article! Does it take you 3 hours to build out a basic WP site cause you aren't familiar with web design, outsource that bish! 30 mins for a logo on Logomakr? Why not $5 to a Fiverr Gig?

    Etc etc so on and so forth. Find what works best for you and stick to it. Refine it, polish it, make it yours.
     
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    I agree. When I think of the undertaking that would be for 8 sites i begin to just think buying the links is easier lol.
     
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    1 PBN for each niche site is the way to go. SEO has become quite expensive.
     
  9. Nargil

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    Well, then start with 2 or 3, but as @Johnny_Tsunami pointed out, definitely 1 money site = 1 PBN. Unless it's a short term project, then definitely do it like that. The risk is significantly lower, the price of the domain, if you decide to flip it, much higher. :)

    And yep, IM is expensive. But you have to spend money to make money :)
     
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    I know I'm a little late to the party with PBN's, but I am now designing my first one. Yea, SEO has become a lot more expensive since I begun my journey years ago (took a long hiatus).
     
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    You are not late at all. PBNs are still at their prime and I don't think it will go anytime soon.
     
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    PBN give you the best bang for the buck. And all the above advice is really good
     
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    Any of you guys give me cost estimates? at the moment I usually choose one or two of my niche sites per month and buy link packages for them so 3-400$ a month for only two sites. I own about 8 that make money. So Spending thousands is really tough.
     
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    Depending on the quality that you decide to target, you can make anywhere from 1 to 10 PBN sites per month with $400 no prroblem. And of course, it depends on what you decide to outsource.
     
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    asking, can i use the same registrar and private who is? or it must be split and using fake whois? for 10-15 domain name pbn with clean BL and 10-25 RD, have couple authority BL.
    thx
     
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    Don't use same registrar anyway, the DNS servers are still pretty much the same except their numbers.
     
  17. lokko

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    Or why not buy PBN services on bhw, save money and time?
     
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    Using a PBN to rank just a single website is a waste of time and money. Also, when creating a PBN you want the websites to look as natural as possible, right? Have you ever see a reputable website/blog to have 2 -3 posts (500 words each) with 1 link? This is very easy for Google Team to detect. I build all my PBN websites as a real websites and so far I don't have even a single PBN site deindexed ( and I'm in the business since 2006).
     
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    Such a bullshit I can't even express it.

    Every normal PBN user links out to related websites which are not in direct competition to make things look natural. It's amazing how you came to the concluson that unless you are ranking just 1 money site you have 1 OBL automatically.
    Oh but yes of course! When you are trying to rank 5 money sites, then you have 5 outbound links and that's more natural! Yeh my ass... 5 SAME outbound links to SAME money sites all over the network. Footprint as hell. Shoot me a message once all your sites get deindexed at once, it will make my day if you are doing it like you are claiming.

    So again, stop misleading newbies and everyone. It's absolutely beyond fuckin annoying to explain every day to X people misconceptions that they believe, because they read it on this very forum in posts written by some people with 11 posts and 8 years old account. So yes, once again, safest way ever is 1 money site = 1 PBN network.

    "Waste of time and money"... jesus fuck. I got pissed now.
     
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    How did you find what my conclusion is? I just gave him an example that a 3 articles/500 words website is very easy to be classified as s PBN. I know that "smart guys" like you place 2 -3 more links to Wikipedia and eHow and think they are top notch. But this is not the case if you have a long term strategy. I know a way to find hidden PBN's and believe me - I'm not the only one. Most people think that blocking Ahrefs and Majestic via htaccess or robots.txt is good enough, but is not!

    Anyway, lets say someone find your PBN's and report them to Google. Do you think your sites can survive a manual review? Because I'm 100% that my sites will. Like I said I created my first PBN site in 2006 when the term "PBN" wasn't exist and still don't have a single website deindexed.

    I link to far more then 5 money sites with 1 PBN. One some of them I have over 200 high-quality posts (with real FB, Twitter shares) and few hundreds OBL ( some of them point to money sites and some of them not). I typical post has 8 -10 OBL and only one points to the money site. Isn't that natural?

    Why do think that when you have 2000+ posts you are big deal? I have not enough time to spend if forums because I'm making money. But to be honest - I really don't care what you are thinking.
     
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