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Important Indicators for Niche?

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by singingsleep, Jul 14, 2009.

  1. singingsleep

    singingsleep Regular Member

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    Ok, whenever the majority agrees on something on BHW they tend to be right, so I've heard that you should use your BH money to go WH and I'm just now starting to dip my toes back into SEO. This is what I started out doing years ago so I understand the dynamics, keywords, article promotion, natural backlinks and website building. I've got all that down. What I've been doing the past week is researching niches and I've got niche blindness. I feel like a hamster on a wheel.

    I have read a ton on the subject and tried quite a few methods. I have mark*et sam*urai and here's where I get confused - MS seems to say quite the opposite of what the adsense tool says a lot of times, generally. I'm completely and fully confused, although I do grasp the *bigger* picture if you get what I mean. I'm only starting again here and if I could make a site make $1 a day I would be pleased. I'm not looking for golden niches or to have rankfights here. If I could know that I'm picking a good choice in niche then I could run with what I know for the future.

    Sorry i'm rambling but part of the problem is that I don't exactly know how to ask for the help I need but I'm gonna try. I have some choice questions:

    In general, am I supposed to look for the little to no competition keywords with high traffic, even if they say cpc 0.05? How much global traffic should they have?

    How much should minimum global traffic be?

    If I find a good keyword but the daily searches are somewhat low, in the 100's and MS says the max number of hits you'd get with a site at #1 would be like 71, can you trust that? Does that mean I should abandon niche?

    I've found a keyword with 0.66 cpc and 450k+ global searches but it's long and hardly makes sense, would be hard to do SEO with in a way but it's DOABLE. Mostly foreign traffic. Competition is none. Is this a viable niche? I'm leaning towards this one because of the traffic but it's not a product, I've read about people doing exclusively products which makes a lot of sense for obvious reasons.

    Are there any indicators that I can look for that are more important than the others? (competition vs. daily searches etc.).

    Do I trust adsense tool and google trends more than MS?

    So far I definitely haven't found anything golden, but then again I don't need golden keywords. I have money to invest in TLD coms, hosting and prime backlinks etc. but I don't want to just throw my money away on half-assed keywords and SEO, just want to make sure I'm not doing anything terribly wrong. I can't see it taking a week just to find one niche so I think I'm doing something wrong.

    I don't expect everything to get answered of course, but even a partial answer to one question would shed some light for me and I thank everyone in advance. Thanks + rep for those that donate of course. :)
     
  2. SpazzyMcSpazz

    SpazzyMcSpazz Regular Member

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    Don't trust anyone, specially in this damn recession, nobodys buying stuff anymore. But 80 searches per day is an acceptable amount. If you've got the resources you should probably test it with adwords just for fun.

    If it doesn't make sense it probably really doesn't, but the searches can be really damn counterintuitive sometimes.
     
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  3. blackhit

    blackhit Super Moderator Staff Member Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I'm using MS BUT in combo with Micro Niche Finder.

    MNF is where I always start my kw research.

    Besides the amount of searches there's the quality of the competition. Even if there's little, if they are authority and strong better move on.

    I know a good read:

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    Google Sniper
    It's here on the board, look for the one with the vids.

    It's not earth shattering but it's solid and might get you some ideas what to look for besides search volumes.

    I've been targeting longtail keywords/micro niches for some time now and I know the system described works.

    Although I backup it up with BH techniques to get even more traffic...:D
     
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  4. singingsleep

    singingsleep Regular Member

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    Thanks guys this definitely helps me a lot, and I know it's mega-competitive out there so I do appreciate it. I'm gonna get sniper now and check it out - I'm definitely interested in micro niche and long tail keywords too, and ramping it up once I get the hang of it.

    I've gotcha on how to identify unbeatable competition and have learned to spot that really well. I've been wondering if I should invest in MNF and I think I'm going to go ahead and give that a go.

    I think I'm pretty much on the right path then even though I've still got the old training wheels on :D thanks again.
     
  5. blackhit

    blackhit Super Moderator Staff Member Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    If you're getting serious into micro niche targeting this tool is a must-have.

    All the things it does can be done for free but MNF does it in a fraction of the time it takes to do it all manually.

    And important: the thing is updated regularly and supported.
     
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  6. iglow

    iglow Elite Member

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    BH is more fun than WH
    just if you havwe cash you can outsource whole BH
     
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  7. koshiro

    koshiro Junior Member

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    Would love to hear how you use MNF with MS. I bought MNF a long time ago and have been using it but stopped when I got my hands on MS. It seems that whatever MNF can do, MS can do but faster and more.

    How does MNF supplement MS when doing keyword research?
     
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  8. blackhit

    blackhit Super Moderator Staff Member Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    It does not supplement it.

    I once started with MNF and I'm used to it. As MS evolves I might turn over to MS completely, who knows.

    At the moment I do my keyword research in MNF.

    To check out the competition fast I use SEO Competition in MS and for that it's great.
    Gives me fast and a precise view if the keyword is worthwile to target.
    As for the keyword I run it through MS to get confirmation for what MNF gave me.

    From there I dig deeper in MS (where are the backlinks, for what keywords is the site ranking, etc.)

    So it's not a strategy I use both programs in, it's just a habit.
     
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  9. koshiro

    koshiro Junior Member

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    Cool. Thanks for sharing.

    I started with MNF as well but switched over completely to MS because I found it was more efficient when doing keyword research.

    For example, digging down on keywords is kinda slow on MNF, if I want to explore a keyword in greater detail I'll just open it on a new tab in MS and drill it later.

    I guess it depends what you're used to.. there are some good points I like about MNF but as a whole I think MS is a more efficient tool and use it more often.