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I'm Thinking Of Kicking My Affiliate Manager's Ass!

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by zongoneri, May 22, 2009.

  1. zongoneri

    zongoneri Junior Member

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    Hi,

    I'd like to year your opinions about this.

    One affiliate manager from one of the networks i work is lying to me on the last months.

    The network own me more than 15.000 euros and the guy told me network already paid, i ask for a receipt and he no reply since that.

    On next month will be a marketing meeting on my city and he will be there, I never be on a meeting and my question is if this kind of events have security personal?

    I'm thinking on punching his face on that meeting and my doubt is if i could be alone or i need to bring some friends with me just in case...
     
  2. sikx

    sikx Registered Member

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    Let me guess, its xy7?
     
  3. antsaoo

    antsaoo Supreme Member

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    hmm maybe you should contact some exec people there if hes not going to pay you ;) hope you can get this solved with out violence ;)
     
  4. zongoneri

    zongoneri Junior Member

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    no, its another company, i prefer not reveal the company to protect myself and to avoid the AM notice what i want to do...
     
  5. sikx

    sikx Registered Member

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    Well I have had the same problem, there's not much you can do about it :/
     
  6. rags2riches

    rags2riches Newbie

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    Hi,

    I would just spread the word about the company and that they have failed to pay you, you can do this covertly if you're worried about getting in trouble. People have a right to know if companies aren't paying up.

    Phil
     
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  7. spaceinvader

    spaceinvader Regular Member

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    send a recorded letter to the company/CEO and your AM notifying them of your intent to initiate legal proceedings if the matter is not resolved within x amount of weeks... violence would be my choice but if you want any chance of getting any money use the legal system
     
  8. zongoneri

    zongoneri Junior Member

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    yes, beside i really want "break the face" of the guy, I will dress some shirt saying "company XXXXXXX own me 15.000€".

    My big point its how he lye to me, i trust the guy and I was completely scamed.

    Beside that i will also send an email to all advertisers of that network explaining the situation one day before the day of the meeting.

    Im not alone on this "have my money" quest, several affiliates are on same situation and are planing to do something less "radical".

    What im have afraid is if i want to kick their ass and become kicked by the security...
     
  9. spaceinvader

    spaceinvader Regular Member

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    lol, its a given that you will be kicked out if you punch someone.. how did they pay? bank transfer/cheque/paypal?

    if its by post its possible that the letter went missing, it happens a lot where i live. if thats the case ask them to cancel it and re-issue you a new one, if they claim to have paid by pp/bank trans then go see a solicitor because you have evidence that they didnt. if you arranged to meet them in a back alley and hand over some crisp used notes then your fucked :)
     
  10. zongoneri

    zongoneri Junior Member

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    bank transfer, i already contact my bank and no transfer are in transit, i request the payment receipt form the network bank and never have an answer since that.

    I always avoid checks because my bank take high fees.

    both of us (me and network) are on EU, so all bank transfers take only 3 days and my bank could see if anything is "on transit".

    I also receive more than 50.000 € last year from this network, this is from my white hat sites, so no excuse for the network, bank details are correct.

    I'm avoiding legal issues because network is based on other country and he costs lot of money on trips and hotels.

    My main opportunity is next month on that meeting...
     
  11. asprind

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    Beating the shit out of him won't change anything. But, you can try this instead: Start a PPC campaign, targeting many popular keywords related to affiliate marketing and for ad copy put a text that tells how this cpa network is a scam and owns you a pile of money... then take screen shots of the SERPs that are showing your ad AND the admin area of your PPC account and photoshop the numbers so they show 5K euros as a pre-paid deposit sitting on your account, then send those screens along with the list of keywords that you are bidding on to your AM. That might help.
     
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  12. noob411

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    The t-shirt idea is a wonderful thing. Don't break the face of the aff manager what you do is go to the meeting when you find there booth don't go straight to it. Instead get a nice thermal of really really hot coffee. no cream no sugar both these tend to cool coffee down. now go to their booth with your really hot full big cup of coffee when you get there trip your self so the coffee lands on them. Really make sure that you are on the ground. Hopefully you got the man/woman burned and company papers damaged. This way you are not going to jail, you hurt the hell out of them, ruined there stand and should now feel satisfied a bit. I have done this before lol and boy the scars it leaves.
    I am also a girl who likes to hear prolonged screaming.
     
  13. spaceinvader

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    if you present a strong case with written letter and threaten legal action. it might be enough, they wont fight you. who will a court believe in the end? a bank or some online affiliate marketing company.

    If not have a solicitor send a letter, it will cost £70. The way i look at it if you invest £0-£70 and 30 mins of time you may get €15000 - you dont have to go any further than that. If you want ill write the letter and it they pay out you can just give me half :p
     
  14. Sikez

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    Kick his ass.
     
  15. zongoneri

    zongoneri Junior Member

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    I really dont care about the money now, yes its a lot of money, I know...

    As I say before the big point its the trust i deposited on the guy, I also have a business dinner with him last year and he simply make me fool with this story.

    All single week he say, next week you got the payment, next week you got untill he say "you're paid"!!! Ok, i trust and start checking my home banking almost every hour expecting the payment arrive, 2 weeks later no payment.. I ask if the transfer are correct and he say yes and if i want he send the bank receipt.

    of course I say yes, please send, since that no more answers from him...

    Do you understand why i am so #$&&#$&?

    this is about trusting and be fooled...
     
  16. spaceinvader

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    then i guess its plan B: :D
    gunz.jpg
     
  17. tzutzy

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    actualy that is not correct... check their TOS ... most of the companies don't have anything stated in the TOS about legal procedures so if you file a claim in court in your own country ... they HAVE to get there ... you don't have to get to their country but they need to take a quick trip to your place...

    of course that is if it isn't mentioned in the TOS that all court files are to be held in their city or country or something...

    check the TOS and my advice: use an attorney ( lawyer ) they know what to do ;) ... don't use violence ... that is just for fun :))) LOL .. but it won't get you your money...

    just my 2 cents..


    cheers...


    tzutzy.
     
  18. Strider

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    Its not what you know......its what you can prove.

    Revenge and Vengeance can always be contract jobs.
     
  19. pizzafasie

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    go and talk to a lawyer in his country. that will work
     
  20. noob411

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    wait...bring your friends single him out after never leaving your eyes off of him scare the living shit out of him....do you have like 20 big friends?