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I'm surprised at some of these sales threads in the BST...

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Sherbert Hoover, Jul 29, 2016.

  1. Sherbert Hoover

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    The fact that they are actively and publicly committing copyright infringement is concerning.

    And that's just the first couple pages of one BST section. Logos, images, names, the whole nine yards. All it would take is one disgruntled customer to pen a well-written letter to the company's legal department and the seller would be in for a complete and total nightmare. Not to mention the possibility of loss of a percentage of gained revenue, as several of the above threads legitimately state things such as "X,XXX happy customers".

    Are copyright and trademark laws not applicable in other countries?

    EDIT: I apologize if you entered this thread hoping for another mad buyer smackdown with the mods.
     
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    Actually good point you making here Sherbert. But also I am not entirely sure if they would ever open a lawsuit against some link building forum business seller.

    Well lets just say in theory it would be possible. Whats also interesting if bhw could get sued for letting these graphics stand on their site. Or is that not possible since the images are hosted at a third party provider?

    Good lawyer could tell more here :)
     
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    damn, i already put the popcorn in the microwave though...
     
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  4. Sherbert Hoover

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    Let's also open another cam of worms and say that if someone did have a lawsuit brought down upon them, and one of the demands was a percentage of revenue, the seller would have to procure financial books that show transaction-level data. I wonder how many of the above and others are keeping track of that kind of thing, or actively reporting it to their country's equivalent of the IRS.
     
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    Pretty much no one. That would be my personal guess here. I was also involved with a lawsuit this year.

    Official standing is "Demand For Jury Trial". Well Im not a lawyer but I just reacted fast and took my site and all services off.
     
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    Personally, nothing puts me in a buying mood like a superhero brand does. /s
     
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    reddit is leaking...
     
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    Not hijacking your thread, Sherbs, but if anyone finds a marketing problem with a BST, then please PM me about it. I'm compiling a list of marketplace threads for the mods to review and bring in line with the new marketplace rules. They have an intern for this but they still need help. It's up to all of us to pitch in. So please, send me the link to any BST that promises one or more of the following:
    • White hat SEO
    • 100% guaranteed first page/number 1 rankings
    • 100% guaranteed to make money online
    • SEO services that mention invalid SEO metrics
    • Anything else that's just impossible for a seller to promise
    Thank you.
     
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    I don't understand the need for it myself.

    Ridiculous & OTT sales thread titles put me completely off. I'd rather have a title that just tells me what I'm going to get!
     
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    Whats wrong with page 1 guarantee. If they don't deliver client can ask for a refund, right?
     
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  11. JasonGraham

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    Dont think they would go into all that trouble just to sue them for a couple of bucks
    These companies already make millions, plus the sales pages are only on BHW it's not like they are everywhere on facebook or twitter

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    I agree that guarantees are fine as long as they provide a refund if the guarantee is not met. Is this now not allowed?
     
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    Yes, but...where were you yesterday bro?

    The mods are trying to clean up the marketplace and eliminate copy that promises impossible things. Guaranteed rankings is one of the things they're cracking down on. No one can guarantee your rankings. You can ask for a refund but there's a lot of other buyers out there who never got what they were promised and never reported it. There's also a suspicion that the marketplace is set up to prey on n00bs who don't know any better and just...all kinds of shit.

    I'm just helping with the cleanup. That's all.
     
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    It's a fair point. Technically all these bst owners are profiting from those brands.

    Would they sue? I doubt it - think how much it costs to sue, wouldn't be worth their while.
     
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    Oh, so you missed the drama then.
     
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    I'm all for the mods cleaning up the marketplace. It'd be great to see them weed out the service providers that provide junk.

    I don't think the buyer can go too wrong with a money back results based guarantee.
     
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    wait a second
    so you guys are telling me that sherlock didn't actually hack google?
     
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    I understand what you're saying, and I agree. But I think it's just easier for them to eliminate that promise altogether.
     
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    A lot of the sellers might be in countries where it would be very hard to prosecute them so they don't care. The rest don't care because don't think anybody would go after them. It's not really likely that anybody would go after them anyway and even if they do, changing their BST creatives would probably be the end of it.