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I'm New and I've got a Plan, but I desperately need your help!

Discussion in 'CPA' started by YoungGenius02, Jan 31, 2011.

  1. YoungGenius02

    YoungGenius02 Registered Member

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    Hello, im new to this forum and also new to internet marketing. I should also mention that im only 15 years old (and live in Canada). A classmate recently told me how he makes a decent income (about 700 a month) from cpa lead. I went home and research cpa lead and i learned a lot. In fact I've spent the past 3 weeks reading e-books and learning many methods to CPA marketing. Although im not that close this classmate of mine, I believe that I'm exceptionally smarter than he is and when i set my mind to a goal i usually achieve it. I think i understand most of how CPA marketing works and how people can make money with it. A lot of traffic comes mostly from PPC but i dont have much to invest. Actually i dont really have anything to start with except those hundreds of e-books on marketing :/. I have told my parents about what i've been learning and thinking of doing (though i dont want them to get too involved). I'm going to open a new bank account for myself and set up a pay pal account soon. My next step is to set up a free site (using wordpress or blogger) where i will be giving links to downloads such as software, dvd's, etc. I will then apply to CPA lead and use their content blocker and the new site i will create. I will then get traffic using free methods (article marketing, youtube, social networking, etc.) and hopefully start seeing some money. I will experiment with other types of sites such as movie and tv show sites.

    After I reach the point where I'm making about 15/20 dollars a day, i will apply to other cpa networks. One major hold back is that I dont have my own phone (so i cant really do a phone interview) but if i start to make some money I'll convince my parents to get me one :p and also I dont have money right now to buy web hosting (from hostgator or such) nor a domain. But making some money through CPA lead will hopefully elimanate these problems. After applying to some of these CPA networks i'll start to run some campaigns like i learned to do from various sources. After that, wish me luck on becoming successful in this field :) I read somewhere that some of you guys make like 1k+ a day O: that is my motivation.

    But before I start i need a few things cleared up. First off, will i ever need a credit card? because i dont have one but i'm hopefully going to set up a pay pal after i make my bank account. Secondly, I dont really understand taxes so how do i pay them, do i have to fill out any forms, i honestly have like 0 knowledge on this subject so please inform me (p.s. i said im from canada). Finally, is there any way that what i'm doing might be illegal, like is there an age miniumum or that does not matter?

    So hopefully some of you experienced and knowledgeable ones can help me. And thanks for you time :)
     
  2. YoungGenius02

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    Oh and if i placed this in the wrong forum please excuse me, i thought this might be an appropriate place to post it
     
  3. GreyWolf

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    You have a pretty good plan. I'm assuming that you learned a lot of the specifics you need from the ebooks, even though you just laid out the general plan here. As long as you know the details of what you need to do then you might have something good. Starting IM while your still young, living at home and not worried about bills can be a big advantage.

    You'll definitely need a phone, but it doesn't have to necessarily be your own exclusively. You're home phone should be fine, you just need to let the cpa know the time range that you're available at the number. The phone interview might be an issue though if you sound as young as you are. If you sound like you over 18 then it should be fine.

    The banking, and credit card is a different issue though. The easiest way is to have your parents help you with that. There's certainly ways to get around it, but most banks require you to be over 18, or have your parents with you to sign a consent when you set up the account.

    Most juristictions don't allow minors to enter into legal contracts, that's why the banks, credit card companies, cpa companies, etc. require you to be 18. Signing up for all those things involves entering into a contract.

    Because of that you're best bet, if it's an option is to get your mom or dad involved at least a little. Let them know that it isn't much different than starting up you're own lawn mowing service, or newspaper route when they were young, but has a much higher earnings potential if your successful. Let them know it isn't going to cost anything upfront, you simply need the accounts in order to receive payments since you're dealing with businesses online. Also let them know that as the business expands and you do need things like your own phone, etc. you'll only get them if they can be paid for by the profits from your business.

    Discuss it with them from the standpoint of "starting your own business" rather than just "making money online" and they'll probably be more likely to help you out. As long as they know it won't cost any money to get started, and that you won't let your school studies suffer then most parents would love to help out. It's much more impressive to them if you want to build an online business than just spending time and money playing video games online.
     
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    Thank you Greywolf. Ur right about getting my parents involved. I am going to create a bank account with my father so thats not an issue. The thing i need to clarify is entering legal contracts. So when i sign up at a CPA network how do i get my parents involved? Like am i allowed to fill in my information (name, bank account, social security number) or will i have to fill in one of my parents information. If i do fill in my information how will they figure out whether i'm a minor or not?

    Also, i dont understand how to pay income taxes and such. I read online that even if minors have to pay income taxes if thier income exceeds a point. Will some amount of money be deducted off my checks, and do i have to fill out any forms for the CPA networks?

    Again, id like to thank you for your help, its very appreciated.
     
  5. GreyWolf

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    Yeah anyone that makes enough money has to pay taxes on their earnings. That's just the way it is whether they're a minor or not. But that's just another thing your parents can help you with. How to keep proper records, etc.

    Someone else will have to tell you how to actually deal with the cpa networks regarding your age though. It may be possible to do it in your name with your parents consent, or it may be that you'll need to have one of your parents set up the account in their name. Many minors definitely just say they're over 18, but that might be an issue with your parents about you lying. Plus if the cpa network found out it would be a violation of the TOS and they could shut down your account, and it would be difficult to get your final earnings if at all.

    As far as setting up websites, you can actually do that free to start. You can use free sites like blogger in which case there is no cost at all. Or you could register your own domain which is a minimal cost, $10 per year or less depending on the domain and the registrar. Then you can set up webhosting on a free hosting company using your new domain name. Free webhosting is typically less dependable than paid hosting, but it's a place to start. You'll just need to expect a little more downtime when your page starts getting more visitors. By the time you're getting enough traffic for it to be a problem though, you should be making at least enough money to switch over to a paid shared hosting account.

    You've also found a great place to learn the tips and tricks you need to know to create a successful online business.

    In order to get the most use from the BHW forums. Be sure to check out these threads.
    Good luck to you, and kudos for wanting to do more than just play video games online. Starting at your age can really give you a big advantage over your friends by the time your 18 and everyone is heading out on their own.
     
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    thank you once again. you've defienetly made my goals much clearer and motivated me. only thing is it would be the worst case scenario getting banned from a network because of my age, but what are the odds of it happening? and i will go through the forums (rules, faq, etc.) Again thank you for pointing me in the right direction :)
     
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    Great posts Greywofl!

    I wish someone helped me like that when I started out ! ;)
     
  8. GreyWolf

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    Well it looks like he's already been doing some research on his own. Gave a little info about what he wants to do and asked a couple questions about specific points. That's way better than the help me threads with general questions from people not even trying to learn anything on their own first. He even figured out the best forum that applied to his question. At 15 he's already ahead of the pack for a lot of newbies. lol

    Hopefully someone with some good info can answer his question about how a minor should approach signing up with a cpa. I'm so far beyond that age that I've never had a need to know. I'm pretty sure there are quite a few on bhw that signed up before they were 18 so hopefully someone will give an answer to that.

    I think if he has a good relationship with his parents then it would definitely be best for him to involve them in the business. It could help with a lot of the age related issues, and if they are tech savvy at all then they could even help with some things. Even if they aren't tech savvy they might still be good for things like writing articles.
     
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    Now you have done some of your research. What are the child labor laws in your territory in Canada? I do not know if self employed minors count towards the maximum hours that a minor can work. It seems sort of vague to me, but then most lawmakers do not count on kids finding a career online. You may want to check up on that before contacting the CPA companies. Also, since I don't live in Canada, I really don't understand their laws, so perhaps contacting some type of employment agency to research. The CPA companies are required to abide by any state or territory region. Also if you still want to work even if they say no, well, talk to your parents about you working under their names. If you present a working model, which it seems as though you already have one, then surely they will have no qualms about it as well.

    Hope I helped out a little and have fun making some money!
     
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    Thanks for your input guys. I've been doing some research on self employed minors and such. When looking at the child labour laws, it just states information such as you must be over the age of 14 to be employed, working conditions have to be safe, certain amount of hours, can't miss school due to employment. dizzspaceteam ur right it is quite vague because when ur self employed there are no certain hours and such. I think the best option is when opening m bank account I will just create it for my brother and I. When signing up for CPA networks I will use his information the thing is he's 17 and turns 18 in august. I dont think ill run into any trouble about age before then. Also, I noticed that some of the forms u fill out when applying to CPA networks ask for your social security number. Should I trust them with this, because my parents used to tell me that I should never give out my SSN espicially online? How do I tell them that it's okay to trust them with this information? Any suggestions?
     
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    YoungGenius, your plans etc are very good in my opinioin.

    But my only request would be that you leave a paragraph space every 3 or 4 lines so as to make it easy for everyone's eyes. Its just hurting badly.

    Hope you understand that.
     
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    haridada, sorry I didn't notice how close my sentences were to each other. But I know what you mean because when I was reading through the forums my eyes started to hurt.

    I guess its just the fact that its white text on a black background. anyways thanks for your post.
     
  13. MrMouse

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    I don't want to ruin your plans but

    Note that CPA.Lead does not accept any copyright infringment like TV show sites or ''Warez'' like sites. I think I read on this forum that LeadBolt doesn't have any problems with copyright infringment, not 100% sure though.

    But I'm sure you'll find out a work-around for this, as you've already shown more dedication than 98% of the 'noobs' around here.

    Oh, and for applying at CPA Networks; I managed to get into 3 of them by adding 10 years to my actual age and I don't need a SSN-number or anything since I'm not living in the US/Canada.

    Good luck from a fellow BHW member that is 1 year ahead of you (16 y.o., making a decent income with content gateways like CPA.Lead using nothing but free traffic techniques)
     
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    I didn't know that cpa lead doesn't allow sites with copyright infringement. But am i really doing anything wrong because if i were to make a site with downloads or movies, I wouldn't be the one uploading/hosting/sharing the files but I'm only giving access to links where you can find these stuff (such as pirate bay, megavideo).

    plus I know that many people make money through cpa lead this way. Most people using cpa lead have their own movie sites and stuff, where they embed links of movies on other sites. Either way I will be looking more into it, and if its a problem than i guess i can use leadbolt or use a different concept all together.
     
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    I am not really into CPA, but you may use your fathers name (with his permission)
    to avoid age related problems.

    Good luck with your new start!
     
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    Haven't read the replies as I'm out of time, but yeah, there is a small problem with your plan, c.palead doesn't allow copyright infringement. You can't just upload any software and movies and just put up cp.alead.. You'll get banned. Other than that, Wordpress/Blogger wouldn't allow it, either.. So that's a problem. However, you could promise something that sounds like you have the things, but once they have completed the CPA offer you really don't have anything.. Something like that would work as you're not hosting anything illegal.

    Also, you need a way to drive traffic to your blog or whatever you want to set up.. You can't just set up a site and hope people will come, you need to sit down and think and make a plan for how you're going to get traffic. Good luck!
     
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    I heard they've been cracking down on movie sites lately.. Even if you're just linking.
     
  18. GreyWolf

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    You can definitely do that but you have to use blackhat methods so the cpa company doesn't know where the traffic is coming from. That's one of the ways to use redirection and meta refresh to blank the referer. Here's one thread regarding that topic any way to fake referer 100%?. If you use the BHW Advanced Search, or just browse the cloaking forum you can find many more.

    It's really easy to lose your cpa account that way though. You'd probably be better off sticking with the traffic sources approved by the cpa companies at least until you get a little more experience.
     
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    hmm this makes it a bit more diffucult. I guess i got to get more creative. I know that there are many of those pages where they have a video or breaking news and use a content blocker. Can i get in trouble if i put a disclaimer such as I am in no way uploading or sharing the copyright material? I can also put up a site with a collection of free content (e.g. coupons, free offers, etc.) i guess i got to do more research.
     
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    Nice plan Man! It's a good way to start your internet Marketing career ;)

    Also like the mouse dude said Try not to do infringement Stuff so you don't get banned and your monies taken away.

    What i would recommend you do that is FAR More profitable but has no copyright or any thing to worry about. That would be to have contests. Ya know Use all the same traffic methods and have a Giveaway/contest of new HOT Products. Like the new Ipad tablet compeptitors or the new 3DS Or Something in that nature you get the drift. Videos games,Vouchers etc etc People are always willing to get something free for submitting an Email.

    First have them opt in to a Email List(Aweber is best) and then forward them to A CPA Email submit offer Related to your giveaway basically saying go here to submit your email to be entered AND for a chance to win(Whatever the offer is) AND to be entered in your giveaway. This good to do because 1. You get a opt in lead(For later promoting more CPA Email submits to= Repeat Cash) 2. You make 1$+ for getting them to enter their email and having them be a Real legit Lead. Not this is a bit GH because you won't Really be GIVING them the High priced item So Don't let that get to you Because they will most likely go to the Offer you sent them and continue it ;)

    Do whatever you like and TWIST it up and that's what pulls in more money! TRUST me this is far better then the old "Linking to Downloads and Software" It's Over saturated And can get you banned ;)

    Sorry for long post but I remember when i was a Newbie and I had no help so Now I'm sharing the BHW Love and I wish you Best of Luck in your IM journey! Go make that $$$ :D

    -Hateandbreak
     
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