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I'm Making 1200$/month- Good Method for College Students Like Me

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by mafiaboy, Aug 24, 2010.

  1. mafiaboy

    mafiaboy Registered Member

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    Hey everyone,

    Intro


    I decided I'm gonna be more active on the forums and so I'm posting this thread on a method I'm currently using locally. And I AM using this method , it's not some idea I thought of and that I'm posting on here( which completely beats me why people post money making "ideas" but wtv:confused:) I highly suggest you read EVERYTHING instead of bits and pieces.

    PS : I DO NOT have much knowledge on SEO so I don't provide SEO services. As for learning flash, I learn it in 1 week. I watched some youtube videos and bam I was fine. I changed the logo , edited some paragraphs , added some links , took some pictures and uploaded them and bam it's done. TRUST me go for flash it makes a HUGE difference.
    Summary:


    This is a twist on providing SEO or Website design services locally, instead we will be offering hosting. You start off small although the income is very residual , in most cases for years with just 1 client. Eventually you'll have accumulated a good amount of clients and will make an extremely nice pay at the end of the month. We will be giving out QUALITY websites as an incentive for people to sign up to your hosting plan. We will mainly be targeting businesses.

    The Method:

    1. Hosting
    Sign up for hostgator's reseller hosting plan it's actually really good and doesn't have any catches. We will be using this to host our clients websites. You can upgrade your plan easily with them if your hosting too many websites at once.

    2. The Website
    OK now most people throw up nice wordpress websites as an incentive for clients to use their hosting or SEO services , we on the other hand will have beautiful & sophisticated flash websites.

    Head on over to http://www.templatemonster.com/ and look at the templates( don't worry you won't spend a heap of money , maybe even nothing). If you don't know how to use flash, then CMS and Joomla templates are also very nice. Decide what type of business you'd like to advertise your service to( eg: jewelry store , garages , sushi restaurants etc..). Find a template you like and go to www.warez-bb.org to check if someone uploaded it already. If not then maybe look for different templates of your category( they dozens just for 1 category) and check if those are available on warez bb. If that fails to go ahead and buy it.

    3.Marketing
    So now we have a great looking website , but no clients. The marketing plan I'm about to explain is something I've developed over the past year , maybe you might have a better idea although for the newcomers I suggest you stick with what I'm about to say. ALWAYS PRESENT YOURSELF IN PERSON. It works SO much better than cold calling.

    A very good way to find businesses with no websites that actually have money to spend on advertising is in the yellowpages( or white) and local newspaper ads. If they don't have a website address on their ad, chances are they don't have a website.

    When approaching yourself to the business don't wear a suit and tie , you'll pass off as a scammer trying to look professional just like the people selling cutco knives( google it :). Instead just wear nice jeans and a nice shirt. If you can , find out the full name of the owner and ask for him when you walk in.

    Finding out the names of the people that own the store is actually a really big conversion booster because secretaries always tell me to leave my number and tell me the owner will call me after , which doesn't happen often. Instead when I meet face to face with the owner/manager and I show them a few flash templates they seem to be much more interested.

    4. The Money!
    How much to charge? Ok this is were we make our money. Instead of 10$ per month which is the typical price for businesses to host their website , I charge 25$. Some business are aware of the going rates of creating a website and they know that a flash website can easily be in the hundreds so they think it's a bargain , add to the fact that rarely any of these people know the going rate for hosting.

    The Math

    Currently I have 48 clients for hosting. I would've had 53 but 5 canceled since last year. Businesses don't cancel much , their website subscription lasts as long as the business is up ( usually ).
    48 x 25 = 1300$ is my income every month.( abit more actually but I'll get to that later)
    Now for your math...
    I'm pushing 4 websites a week , but in the beginning I was getting half the amount every week. Let's suppose you get 2 clients every week since you probably go to school and/or have a job.
    2x4 weeks in a month = 8 x 25$/client = 200$ residual you will get EVERY month from now on.
    After 5 months( let's say your still getting 2 clients a week and not 4)
    5 x 200 = 1000$ every month extra. That's 12 000$ a year.

    Now keep in mind , I'm saying 2 per week because that's how many I was getting in the beginning since I didn't have much time. Maybe you have much more time than me and will also learn faster than me, so of course you'll make more money.

    IMPORTANT TIPS:

    - Have business cards to hand out

    - If you having trouble getting the name of the owner either through googling , word of mouth or the yellowpages do the following.

    Simply call them up and say that your ordered a certain product and tell the cashier or secretary that the owner said to call him at this time. Eg: Before approaching a flower shop I wanted the name of the owner. I called them up and a girl cashier answered the phone, although I wasn't sure if she was the cashier so I asked
    " Hi is this the owner of Rosario Maria(name of the store)?" " No it isn't" " Oh ok because I ordered a bouquet for my girlfriend's 1 year anniversary together and the owner told me to talk to her specifically but I forgot her name.( I guessed it was a her because of the name of the shop) " Ok one moment I'll pass you the phone" Hello? (this is the owner)" " Hi is this Lina Dugard?" " No its Maria Fortugno" " Oh sorry wrong flower shop excuse me" Hung up the phone. BAM you got a name.Went and pitch 2 weeks later but unfortunately she didn't need a website :(


    - If the client is satisfied , tell him that if he has any friends that need a website done you'll give him half the money of whatever he decides to charge them. Either way your making websites for free , extra income on top of your hosting plan is great!

    - Actually spend time on the website. If the website is good the word of mouth spreads easily. Throwing up a quick 30 minute wordpress website and just making it look "decent" isn't going to get the word around. I average 3-4 hours of work per website , sometimes more.

    - You can download flash cs5 or cs4 off of warez bb also

    - If your young , have the excuse that your creating a portfolio of websites so that they can be graded at the end of the school semester. To make it realistic , at the end of everything ask him if he can be put down as a reference:p

    - If your low on money and needed to purchase a template for eg a jewelry store, market yourself to other jewelry stores but use the same template! :p

    Honestly I have very profitable website going and I rarely push the hosting plans anymore. But like I said the last months I was getting 4 clients a week, part time.

    EDIT:

    Alright so I got a few PMs from people who were confused as to why I don't charge for the website design or have any setup fees. I can understand that 25$ per month isn't a lot in the begining , but let's do some math estimating that the business will hold the website up for only 3 years: ( you guys will see in future threads that I am all about calculations :p )

    1 client = 25$ / month x 12 = 300$/year x 3 years = 900$.

    Would you really want to lose out on a 900$ deal for a measly 100$ setup fee or design?( maybe more since the business might keep you for more than 3 years). If you take the time to do a GOOD website, they won't go looking for a better design , they won't pay 1 000$ for a custom design that looks maybe a little better and they won't accept other offers from people offering cheaper hosting in exchange for an ugly website. This is a BUSINESS. The better the quality of work , the more people are happy. You have to explain to them that their website reflects upon their business, a crappy website shows prospective clients that the business doesn't have money to invest in a decent website probably due to the fact that they don't do so well.

    Also...

    Concerning clients that want to sell things on their website. Once I did a website for a ceramic tile business that wanted to sell their tiles online locally. Personally I don't even feel like up-keeping their website even for a little extra money, I just don't have the time. I simply told the owner that the website should be used to emphasize his ads on the yellowpages and to simply attract customers to the store with a beautiful design, people would be more likely to buy the tiles in his store than on the website. He found it made sence and stopped bothering me with his ideas.
     
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  2. bhayx

    bhayx Registered Member

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    Do you invoice them or set up some kind of recurring billing? Do you claim this on your taxes?
     
  3. Voidy

    Voidy Junior Member

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    Thanks mafiaboy for this share :D
     
  4. saintbernardul

    saintbernardul Junior Member

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    Good tips bro'.

    I want to start almost the same thing after i read 'Hostgator Domination' shared in Downloads section.

    Thanks a milion :)
     
  5. mafiaboy

    mafiaboy Registered Member

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    hostgator has their own recurring billing system , or you can make a simple paypal button that with bill them every month. Personally I use PayPal
     
  6. QuietZorg

    QuietZorg Regular Member

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    Great post, thank you!

    Doing this is in the back of my mind, I have one client so far, and this is the only IM method that gives me consistent cash.

    I actually use wordpress and html templates, had a look at flash but it just seems daunting and over complicated.. but to each their own, and I have not closed the door to that path.

    You mention business cards, I am designing leaflets for my service, so they can flick through it at a later stage and see fully the benefits, service details, SEO extras etc..

    Also I see hostgator has a F***load of templates, already catagorised into various business, normally includeing both html and flash code. I was thinking to go through each catagory and just pick 2/3 best ones / catagory and put them on my site / portfolio for clients to choose from.

    Also I think another great thing about presenting yourself in person is you can explain any extra details, like " I can take a photo or video of your staff/premesis/product and put it on the site!" I think things like that will go down very well.

    My price plan was something around the 15euro region.... I would be happy with 50 clients at that price!

    Finally, as someone mentioned, what is your payment method? I don't plan to set up an actual business/ tax thing for this, just cash in hand sort of job, perhaps they pay upfront for 6 months(that is what my current client does) . Or obviously paypal would be preferred, but not everyone knows about that still :/ Your thoughts on this?

    Finally as for optional extras, I offer a local extention for my country for extra, Youtube/facebookpage/twitter/linkedin package for 25euro, then the usual other crap that I outsource to the service section here, but ad an extra 5 / 10 bucks onto it :)

    So yeah that is my "thought grenade" and plans for the future, looking for others to contribute and OP to share their thoughts :)
     
  7. invic

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    great method... thx. I'll be off to college in a couple of years and this method could really come in useful :)
     
  8. LukaB

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    i am doing similar via mail, offering sites seo and design
    Posted via Mobile Device
     
  9. supamanjon

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    so do you actually do seo or just offer the website
     
  10. 1swag

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    LOL Thats not black hat thats 100% LEGIT

    ALOT OF PPL BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS

    THANKS FOR THE STEP BY STEP METHOD.
     
  11. phatzilla

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    So you have to create a website for them and teach them how to update it? Wont they be constantly harassing you for tech support???? How does this work
     
  12. mafiaboy

    mafiaboy Registered Member

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    go for flash. 3-4 Youtube videos and you know the basics which is good enough. This is extremely serious advice , flash templates and wordpress templates make the whole difference in the amount of clients you will have and how fast the word will spread.

    no I don't even do SEO due to the fact that I'm not good with it. I was always the blackhat type of guy , spamming this and that. If you do know SEO, ask them if they want it AFTER they've subscribed. You don't want to lose clients just because they thought your trying to empty their pockets as much as possible by providing some SEO service they've never heard of.

    no , i do 1 design and that's it. If their not selling anything on the website then there's no need to update it.
     
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  13. QuietZorg

    QuietZorg Regular Member

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    I am not OP, but my thoughts on this are , most business owners will not have a clue about any thing regarding a website. They will probably be happier to just pay some small fee for you to update it. So you could consider not giving them their own cpanel, log in info, or anything of that nature. just host the site directly on your hosting plan(big plan if many clients) and charge them a few bucks if they want you to do an update.

    Solves them asking stupid questions, but then you may end up bombarded with updates... you could always outsource this part! Or just do it and get your few bucks, after all , small updates usually take just a few minutes!

    Anyways, this is what I do for my whooping 1 client, but it's my plan for future clients, hide the tech stuff from them, and have a small fee if they need an update:)
     
  14. mafiaboy

    mafiaboy Registered Member

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    extremely good answer. Although I'm too lazy to update so I don't offer updating fees :p
     
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  15. QuietZorg

    QuietZorg Regular Member

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    mafiaboy, what do you do about charging the clients?

    And have you an actual business set up for this, like sole trader / ltd..? also what about tax, do you pay it on your earnings?

    Thankyou :)
     
  16. CashInHand

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    what resell plan do you use? how many sites can you host with this and do you buy the domain for them?

    AAAND sorry to be a pest but how does the paypal button work? a subscribe button?
     
  17. QuietZorg

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    You could just offer them a package containing:
    youtube account(with ,say, 5 crappy vids) ,
    facebook page(just buy a FB account with 5000 friends, make the page there and add all those people so the client will see their page has likers)
    Linkedin(i don't know much about this)
    Twitter (auto tweet)

    They will surely be familiar with these things, and charge them x amount , then include the various buttons on their site so it is all nice and completed.

    I'm just throwing that out there, obviously you have more exp than me with this method, and have probably considered it, but just incase, or for others reading this, This sort of package would make more sense to the client than a scrapebox blast, or 300 blog comments etc.....!
     
  18. mafiaboy

    mafiaboy Registered Member

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    I don't have an actual business setup yet is I just turned 18 august 8th. Last year I didn't pay taxes because I made 25k profit but I put down my 2001 volvo s80 as a business expense for my travels ( 6500$) , my car insurance , the gas , a portion of the electricity bill of my mom's house , the tune ups i did on the car etc etc etc...and id we managed to make it under 12k , so under Canadian laws I don't pay taxes :) This is why they say a good accountant saves you money. They find ways to make you pay less in taxes , more than the amount you pay them for managing your business finances.

    Although this year I most probably will have to pay taxes as I have a few things doing well online, as well as the residual income from this.

    Yes I do pay the domain , I don't want them to think that there's other charges included so I pay the 1.99$ for a domain. All they pay is the 25$ hosting fee I charge. A subscription button is available with PayPal , it's a sellers tool they have when you log in.
     
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  19. Sprouts

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    Could you show us a website that you've designed? Just wanna get an idea of how pro it should look...
     
  20. sclairmont1

    sclairmont1 Newbie

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    Great Method. Very Enticing.