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If your PBN was deindexed, your PBN sucks.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by jon_xx_x, Sep 12, 2014.

  1. jon_xx_x

    jon_xx_x Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    There is absolutely no reason for a PBN to be deindexed, even if Google knows it's there.
    Some of you need to wake up. This is the new age of black hat. Your fast crap links either a) won't work or b) won't work for long.
    You're spending money on auctions, expired domains, hosting, content, etc, and you still half ass it.

    Make every single PBN website as if it was a money site. Even if Google finds it, and the content is high quality, there should be no reason they take it down.
    I've seen so many shitty blog networks, with shitty templates, couple pages of content, and it looks like fucking garbage. Open your eyes. Look at the PBN site as if you were a visitor looking for information, if it looks like garbage, it's time to wake up. Don't half ass it, you spent money to get the base down, put another $25 per site and get someone to write some good content.

    Don't make every single keyword to your site "Buy viagra".
    Don't make every single link to your site to your front page.
    Don't make every single link to your site from the PBN site's front page.

    Look at a PBN as a long term investment. It's a marathon not a race. Create something high quality and it will stick around, and even grow. Create a nice logo. Add some pictures. Make it look like a legit website.

    /end rant.
     
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  2. Advancing

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    Ok, thank you. Very informative.
     
  3. pxoxrxn

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    This post should have been prefixed with [Method] and titled 'How not to such hard at making a really good PBN because your PBN sucks and I am known as the PBN god of PBNs'
     
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  4. jon_xx_x

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    Well I wouldn't say I was a god.. but close ;) jk.
    But you can probably find posts of me talking about using a blog network from 2-3 years ago, when there was maybe a handful of others doing it back then as well.
    You can also search my posts and see I'm always an asshole.

    I got lazy though with my online stuff. Trying to get back into things. Although this is BHW and people want money fast, I hate seeing people taking the wrong shortcuts.
     
  5. pxoxrxn

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    If people are doing something wrong with their PBNs its unlikely that you're going to be able to stop them. The amount of information on creating a blog network on BHW is everything you could ever want and more. If, after reading that they are still making crappy sites then they deserve to be de-indexed.
     
  6. jon_xx_x

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    Good point. Sometimes people need a wake up call though.
    I just don't understand how you spend several hundred dollars to set it up then cheap out on it.
     
  7. SEO Power

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    I've heard and given the same advice countless times but thosd who will build crappy networks will still build crappy networks. It's all about weighing the importance of your PBN and acting accordingly.
     
  8. Gyuman82

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    It's a time vs money thing. Depends what you value.
     
  9. Saviour

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    Yeah i def agree. But it again comes down to time v money
    I may have to spend say 100$ to make crap pbn site in say 2 days
    but making legit site willl take 200$ to make and 7 days atleast and with lot of headaches with dev and designers
    so in the same time and budget i wud make 2-3 crap blogs rather than jus 1 and with less headaches
     
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    Do you think everybody builds PBN like you do?
     
  11. ranga

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    lol, they will still be taken down if a competitor gets hold of the data and report it unless the domain is relevant to the niche, which is the tough ask. If you take a health domain and re-purpose it to finance, it will get taken down in manual review. Its just cost of doing business and being lazy.btw, I love when some of them get deindexed, that means I am kicking some balls in some tough niches, to fluster my competitors enough to report me.
     
  12. Magic5

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    Same as anythng dont do it well get shut down =)
     
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    PBN Deindexing depend on Links and Content for PBN's.
     
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    I had a couple money sites running Adsense a while back, with a lot of quality informative content and all, and they got deindexed. So I don't agree with the above.
     
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    If your PBN got quality content and vlaue for customer why will it get de-indexed.

    1) There are some big companies who link their different sites from their home page or footer and never get penalized because it's similar site and every site is quality site.

    ---- So placement of link not big issue (yaa they authority sites but i have seen it with not big sites also)...

    2) Lots of site or business owners decide to change their niche and Google will not penalize them for this reason.

    ---- So niche change may be important but not that much (i have seen several examples of it)...

    Then I guess we are left with only one choice, we see them as PBN, a way of gaming search engine which will get penalized any other day when our luck is down. We don't see such sites as individual sites just support mechanism for our main site.

    Also when people join BH they are always looking for quick money, how to game search engine...

    LOL they don't understand even by building quality sites which search engine and normal visitors will like is gaming search engine. Hell any kind of link building is BH.

    I don't know why Jon is revealing this secret... People and Bots both likes good quality sites and if you got such sites in PBN then you are awesome.

    It's tough for new people on BH to digest such a slow method, there is no kick. Jon you may get reported for posting such nonsense, it's against forum spirit. Ouch you just ruined my BH feeling...
     
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    who cares? just build yours the right way and let the noobs kill themselves. internet marketing darwinism - survival of the fittest.
     
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  17. VolcanoMan

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    There are many nubs out there and especially all over the site, so nothing surprises me
     
  18. SteveWaller

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    Building good quality PBN sites is great for avoiding any algorithmic red flags being waved but unless the sites are almost indistinguishable from real sites then I doubt they pass a manual reviews. $25 worth of content on each site definitely isn't enough to pass a manual review - that would be maybe 1 half decent article? (yes I know you can pay far less for article but we are talking about quality content here right?)

    The reason why people skimp on their PBN sites is because of cost - most people are bootstrapping their SEO efforts and have little money to spend building out decent sites on 50 or even 100 different domains. While I agree with the quality approach, I appreciate that it's not possible for some.

    The lesson I'd take away from all this, though, is that you should reinvest any money you make back into your PBN at least to begin with.
     
  19. clonr

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    You probably don't... which says something about the BHW marketplace.
     
  20. poliofighterzone

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    Made an interesting lead, but yes, there are lots you can do to protect your network.