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If you had a choice: Good Linwheel or proper Xrumer Blast?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by jstover77, Jan 9, 2010.

  1. jstover77

    jstover77 Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    If you had the choice what would you choose?

    Properly done Xrumer Blast

    or

    A Good Linkwheel
     
  2. d3t0x

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    Xrumer blast
     
  3. msslife

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    Both :) <<<<< I'm talking from my experience in both ;)
     
  4. blackhit

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    To keep your moneysites save you need web 2.0 pointing to them which can be blasted with XRumer.

    I build my linkfarm with LFE and a couple of other scripts, progs....

    Then blast XRumer at the parasite hosts...
     
  5. blazen

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    I have xrumer, so yeah I am going with a "proper xrumer blast". Linkwheels are helpful only if you have a lot of pages in the linkwheel.
     
  6. n8800

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    But this takes alot of time :( the web2.0 and the blogs on LFE has to be indexed first :( and then you build a few links then a few weeks later slowly you see results am i wrong?:(
     
  7. peter2002

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    With a brand new site I would definitely start with building some linkwheels and getting one way links from high PR authority sites. After a month or two I would add a niche related xrumer blast (on a smaller scale).
     
  8. ru ru

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    xrumer blast.
    or better, using xrumer to blast your linkwheel.
     
  9. salman321

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    even with a few linkwheels you should see good results by blasting them with xrumer.
     
  10. trophaeum

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    neither, if you have to ask your about to leave so many footprints that your going to get penalized for either of them soon enough
     
  11. salman321

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    how would you avoid footprints with xrumer?
    by blasting the linkwheels? or something else?
     
  12. trophaeum

    trophaeum Senior Member

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    LOL thanks to this post, you are now banned from selling xrumer services *sigh*
     
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  13. Jekashi

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    I just wanted to say, nice sig change. :p

    Back on topic, I'd choose a combination of the two. You'd be a bit faulty if you choose one or the other, provided you didn't have a very unique (and long) linkwheel structure.

    Why? Because Google can tell what type of backlinks you're getting at what rate. 200 Xrumer links to one site a day equates to either negating them or sandboxing your site based on your other links being the same majority type.
     
  14. blackhit

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    The fast road to riches is not in the SERPS.....:D
    If you need money fast there are other methods.
    If you go for organic traffic you'll be at the mercy of the SE's.

    I always look at the ROI time-wise. I don't look at the time I have to wait before I see results in cash.
     
  15. mr4army

    mr4army Regular Member

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    well it depends how your site is doing in the serps if i was starting off linkwheel
     
  16. salman321

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    hi trophaeum,
    i do know about linkwheels and using variants to avoid footprints. Wat i meant to ask you was, links created by xrumer have one common footprint that thay are all from forums(if u r not targeting blogs and guestbooks) and i wanted to know if there is any other method that minimized the footprints and makes the links look natural.
    I have been providing the service for more than a month and dont have any negative comments from any of my clients in my thread. I've also done blasts for old xrumer users here like iglow and Pobman & they have seen their rankings improve after my blast. If you want, I can ask them to post in this thread.
    I request you to please enable my service thread as this is my main source of livelihood.
    I have successfully ranked sites on the first page of google using xrumer and if u want i can show u my own urls through pm.

    Sincerely,
    Farhan.
     
  17. SharePro

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    I think it's a language barrier because while Salman321 has pretty good English, he's a native Indian.

    He contacted me and told me what he meant to say - but after reading this thread (totally understand the mods concern & ban), it appears he was referring to entirely something else.

    Allow me to answer Salman321's question openly and clarify.

    He meant to ask "can footprints cause linkwheel penaltys" - meaning can Google recognize the footprint patterns? Personally, I think it's a great question - only his way of asking was very confusing.

    The answer is YES YOU CAN BE PENALIZED if you are not careful. Now that I've got most of your attention, please let me explain.

    If you post a title, message, and/or repeat patterns in your hyperlinked keywords (post 10,000 backlinks to a single domain without changing the keywords of the hyperlink), then you will be penalized.

    The solution is ROTATING. Using Xrumer, you can rotate the TITLE, MESSAGE, SIGNATURE TEXT, etc., etc. Rotate everything that you can to the max to prevent patterns. You can also spin footnotes/signature text and url hyperlinks with keywords. Rotate EVERYTHING !

    Remember, if I copy/paste any of the text on any website into Google, within less than 1 second, Google will give me the results. This demonstrates how fast the scalable mesh cache of Google is able to pick up on the patterns.

    Using Xrumer, you can spin the text. Here is an example: {Hi|Hello|Greetings}, {my name is|I'm} {Rick|Tom|David} whereas each post is finally published by extracting only one word from each set of brackets. Notice that the words are divided by the pipe character.

    Mind you that I only published 1/3rd of the potential results. There could have been additional possibilities like "Greetings, my name is Tom", or "Greetings, my name is David", etc. The key is variety. But if you put 100k backlinks hyperlinking the same domain - using the same keyword - then the pattern will cause a penalty.

    To summarize (basically repeat all of the above) - the key to not getting penalized for TITLE, POST CONTENT, and/or SIGNATURE/ANCHOR TEXT, is ROTATION, hence SPINNING the content by using multiple (relative) keywords for the domain to make all of the text and hyperlinked keywords appear unique, hence this convinces the popularity of your site is 100% organic.

    Also, another tip is to point urls to the TLD (top level domain) as well as subdomains, hence the most common subdomain structure is the "www" prefix appearing before a domain name. Google individually counts TLD and subdomain backlinks, hence the amount of backlinks you have to your-domain.com is not necessarily the amount you have going to http://www.yourdomain.com. Most often, you have more backlinks going to one or the other, but rarely the same amount of backlinks counted for both.

    Anyway - it really doesn't matter if your promoting a linkwheel property or your website. The key is to convince Google that the backlinks appear to be 100% organic and not generated by spam.

    Anyway, Salman321 operates a "cut & paste" type service, hence he doesn't write his customers Xrumer posts, rather just publishes them. Perhaps the mods may want to reconsider cause I think he had a great question, just didn't properly know how to articulate it.

    I'd run both because while a linkwheel can be very powerful, its STATIC. Xrumer brings much needed DYNAMIC POWER to the table by being able to post on millions of forums, blogs and message boards. Those 3rd party sites offer a lot of SERP power. Obviously, the PR status of a web2 property is powerful. Sites like Wordpress.com are a PR9! This is actually better than having a backlink to cnn.com.

    With that said, its only powerful if you tell Google to look at CNN.com's specific page to get the SERP credit. To get the SERPs, you need to post the backlinks. Otherwise, even a backlink to Cnn.com can lie dormant with very little power.

    Here's a video that I created teaching my own clients how to prepare a Xrumer campaign with rotating:
    http://verifiedfile.com/promotion/clientvideo.zip

    Cheers,
    ********
     
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  19. teguh123

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    The same way I run both. I used spam blogspot repeatedly. That rocks. For some reason i do not know why. When I spam blogspots, my OTHER sites show up on baidu. 1 domain earn like $150 /month. But it's true. I can give screen shot. If I stop spamming the blogspot it drops again.



    Don't know how that happen but keep spamming.

    Poor Salman. I'll give him another project till he is unbanned.

    It's one of those grey area in my humble opinion. For example, once in a while I wanted to ask why widget customers (with yahoo based widget accounts) ask for replacement even though the widget accounts are fine. That implies I have a customer. That implies I am s....ing. Psssssssssttttttttt Got to be very careful. I wish we have some open discussion with a mod but it's hard to discuss that without the selling things. Notice I don't sell widgets and is not trying to imply that I am trying to sell anything else.

    Then there is this theory of exposure. It's a fine line I'd rather stay away from.
     
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  20. streetjammer

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    i suggest antispam with Xrumer you can get signature backlinks and profile links too

    rotate signature anchor text , no problem with duplicate content

    it works well for me