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If you had $5000 a month to spend on IM which route would you go?

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  1. bigballin6161

    bigballin6161 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    This question is aimed at the guys who have been around and made it. I know that any method can pull in alot of money, but I am looking for personal experiences so that I could possibly save myself time and money. At this point I am almost finished a pretty big CB product and just wondering if I should stick with product creation of move into something PPC/media buys with CPA? Maybe list building? SEO is not something I want to focus on right now. Im really kinda confused. Not asking to get spoonfed anything just asking for more personal experience. Currently I make nothing off IM but have money to fund projects and know how to make products and can outsource for good copy/whiteboard etc... Any smartass answsers keep to yourself...thanks
     
  2. Kimi

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    Don't do PPC/media buys for CPA. You can earn way more by creating your own product and promoting it on the right place. I hope you are aware by not focusing on SEO you are losing a big market.

    I won't suggest you start with $5000 if you don't know what to do.

    Start a site, get tons of content for it, outsource keyword research and SEO then rank for profitable keywords and monetize with adsense or selling niche related products. I have 10-15 medium autoritive sites in this style, each getting at least 2000 visitors per day, in decent niches, each site making good cash. However, you need to know how to do things. I'm investing an one time average cost of 1000$ for every website's content and the rest such as keyword research, SEO and website building I like to do by myself.


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    I don't know your product good enough to give "targeted" advices but for product creation in general I would go with something like:

    1. Think of the product and make good research on what the market needs. Create a comprehensive product and an offer that can't be refused.

    2. Buy an aged brandable or niche related domain and pay it in advance for something like 5 years. (You need this if you want to go mad with the SEO, like I do and it can be useful to convert that smart buyers who check stats of a domain to see how legit is the brand that sells the product to them).

    3. Have someone for 200$ to create a simple but effective landing page. Web 2.0 style, colorful, nice and easy to read fonts, impact images (get HQ images from shutterstock), nice order page - 200$ will be more than enough to get this kind of user experience. User experience weights tons when comes to selling.

    4. Now you can point all the PPC and media buys campaigns straight to your site, which now has that awesome and high convertible landing page.

    5. Create http://www.website.com/blog (you can name it whatever) folder on your website, add 50-100 niche focused articles and make that folder easy to see for the bot and let it index and value all the content. Make sure you add an image or big link to your homepage (landing page) or you will lose the possible traffic that can arrive accidentally from the SERPs. I say accidentally because you will never do SEO to these articles. This strategy is only to have Google index all that unique content and value your website.

    6. Start keyword research and select 20 profitable keywords for your main site and do SEO for your landing page (http://www.website.com). Select other 200 low and medium comp. keywords and longtails for the next step.

    7. Get 5 aged domains to target the 200 low and medium competition keywords (with 5 domains you will have an average of 40 keywords to target) - get content for these sites, 20 for each would be fine, and rank your domains and articles in Google. From these 5 mini-sites you can point (728x90 or 300x250 banner) to your landing page. Make it simple, just add articles, optimize your site and that's it, add banners and the traffic will come to you. Don't add pages or any stupid things that can distract the potential buyer, you just want to suck all the traffic to your landing page and selll.

    8. Find some small bloggers or sites from your niche (with decent traffic ofc) that can accept a pretty small amount for an email blast to their lists. Trust me, there are people who write on fitness/weight loss as a hobby and most don't see the power in their list making them to sell it for cheap.

    This is a pretty simple strategy for product creation and marketing (PPC, media buy, SEO and email marketing) that can make you few thousands every day.

    Back in 2009-2010 I had one outsourced product that was super profitable at that moment and made me great cash in a time of 3-4 months. When I saw the easy drop in sales I just had to flip it because I had a great offer and I was fine. However, I wasn't limited only to few marketing strategies.

    I would probably go and make a much more detailed guide on how to make cash with IM when you have the proper budget to invest.

    So to be on-topic and answer your question, yes the best thing to do when you have a great landing page is to point the PPC/media buys straight to your domain.
     
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  3. bigballin6161

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    Thank you for the answer! I am heavily thinking of making my CB product in weight loss which is almost done and then promoting it with PPC/media buys...Now if I am going to go this route would you do PPC/media buys straight to the sales page since it is mine or should I make a weight loss site with tons of good content, advertise my weight loss product on there and drive traffic to the site with PPC/media buys?
     
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    If you're willing to invest 5 grand, there's a lot more you can do than just marketing. If I were you, spread out the money, don't put all of your eggs into one basket.

    Try to remember the same methods that made you be able to spend 5,000 in a month comfortably.

    I agree with Kimi... SEO is free.
     
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    Thanks but I make my money offline. SEO is not free and trying to tackle that with SEO would be almost impossible...I would rather get straight to it with PPC/media buys.
     
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    Try to test different products with PPC. Don't spend 5 grand on one ad campaign. Maybe spend 50 and see what happens.

    SEO is free, you just have to do the work. Hiring someone to do SEO isn't free.. sure. But even then, I've seen some guys on here charge 400/month for their most advanced packages. Paying for ads is just putting you on page one, but imagine not having to pay for that!

    You're talking about a lot more money than most people on here are willing to invest. Point being... be wise with your investments. It can go really quickly.
     
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    Do you have $60,000 in liquid cash accessible 'to spend', or is your proffer of $5,000 per
    month restricted to monthly increments?
     
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    I would buy sites already making money with potential to grow and get more visitors to get more $$.
     
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    $5000/month no I dont have 60k in liquid cash...I wish!
     
  11. Qokaine

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    If i had 5k and if you wanted to go into IM, you basically want to follow your passion and what will interest you the most and what will keep your working at it.

    If your interests are seo, well you are not going to want to do article writing sevices for example. Follow your passion, and the money will come with it.

    But of course, plan out your site and course of action, how exactly you plan on making money and of course where you plan on getting that source of clients to give you the money.
     
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    I will split the money in 3 part.
    1st one will be used to scale up my current working methods
    2nd one will be used in R&D of long term projects like developing and marketing some unique ideas.
    3rd one will be kept as rainy day fund for 2nd expenditure.
    The point is always keeping a good exit plan to recover investment.
     
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    You got the right idea thinking about paid traffic. Read as much as you can about it and pick 1 type such as media buys, ppc, ppv and stick to it until you make it work. Join one of those paid monthly communities which specialize in this type of IM and slowly start testing until you make money. I am trying to get to that point myself where I sell enough services online so i could have even 2k a month to use in that area. If you have 5k a month and you do it smart you could make a lot of money. Talk to the people at the "TheVault" torrent tracker, if they let you in, you will have a major advantage knowledge-wise.
     
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    You should invest in a long term white hat business that will last for long.

    It will be at first a money black hole, but if you are cautious and if you don't burn stages, it is in my opinion the best way to go.
     
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    Build a high end luxury products site. Vehicles, boats, planes, vacation, property, EXPENSIVE gifts.

    Build the site around ostentation and rich living, keep it expensive to weed out all us commoners and those who have to ask how much it is.

    Use HARO and PitchRate to find products and services.
     
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    Edited first post.
     
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    SEO is free? My time costs a lot of money. If you know where I can get free SEO, please let me know, I got some work for them. LOL
     
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    For $5,000 a month you can market quite a few things with a high return. Personally, I would first learn about sales copy and psychology first. People think that "Oh I don't need that." Really now, we can all try to pretend to ignore the greatest factor in making money, but ignoring it ultimately leads to failure. Knowing the market, how to present benefits to them, and how to get them to act and buy right now is key to sales. If your salesman is weak, you don't get sales. If your salesman doesn't know that "type" of customer and how to herd them into buying, no sales.

    For $5,000 a month you could dominate YouTube. For $5,000 a month you could dominate a Google Adsense (fucking gross) Authority Site. For $5,000 a month that is just enough money to start seriously marketing your product on converting ad networks. There is no specific "METHOD" to earning money. All the free methods are miracle turds that exist because the person was too lazy to invest money into it. The method ends up drying and then you need to go find a new one. Use only a solid business and marketing structure based on the niche you choose, otherwise you will end up hunting again.

    As for sales, your 10000000000th sale is no different than the first sale. Your target prospect must meet these 3 conditions listed.
    1. Can buy your product 2. Has money to buy your product 3. Will return again to buy your product
     
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    I know that sales copy is critical. I tried to learn it but think it will be better off just to hire one. I think it takes years to master....
     
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    This may be one of the best post I have ever read. Im gonna do this. Repped.