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If you don't want some shitty website you still have to start with something.

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by GreyWolf, Oct 15, 2011.

  1. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    I just replied to a question that someone sent me in a PM. I think the answer I gave might help a lot of other people too though. I edited out the identifiable information about the sender and I'm posting the question and my reply here. Maybe some others can get some benefit from my reply and/or some other members can give some additional thoughts or suggestions.

    There's no reason you can't do both, create a website to market clickbank, amazon, cj, adsense, etc. and also have it be a website that offers real value.

    There is no difference in doing SEO for a site targeting a service than there is for targeting a product. The only difference is on the site itself one will be dealing with clients and the other will be dealing with customers, but for both of them the point of SEO is to get targeted visitors.

    Last year you were talking about how you'd like to have a website like doshdosh, now this year you're dreaming about engadget. What have you done to do that so far? My guess is nothing.

    The problem with having a REAL website that offers REAL value is that it won't seem like much when you first start it. There's an old adage in the form of a riddle that goes, "Q:How do you eat an elephant? A:One bite at a time!". What that means is you need to break big projects down into small steps and then you just have to work on completing the steps.

    You keep holding yourself back from starting a small website because you want to have a large authority site, but you can't create that popular authority site until and unless you start building it. When you first start it's going to just seem like a crappy site to you, as you continue to add more to though it's up to you if you just continue it as a crappy site or work at it to create a valuable site. Unless you have a lot of money to sink into it that's the only way you'll ever accomplish your goal. Had you picked a niche (when you told me you wanted something like the doshdosh site) last year and then installed wordpress then you could have been adding a few posts every week or so and by now you could have had a really nice site. But you just want the really nice site right away so you never start one.

    So pick a general niche you'd be happy having an authoritative site about. Do some keyword research to find a decent name for a site in that niche. Get a domain, get some hosting, and set up wordpress. Then do some more keyword research to pick some good microniches within your general niche. Write a decent article for each of those microniches and do some SEO for each of those pages and your homepage using the microniche keywords you selected.

    Then just keep doing that same thing whenever you want to add another page, do keyword research in the general niche of your site and find the specific topics (microniches) people are searching for. Write another article targeting that microniche, post it and do SEO on it.

    Keep doing SEO on your site for those microniches as well as the general niche. If you've chosen good low comp microniches you should start seeing results in the serp with just a minimal amount of manual quality backlink building.

    When you start getting a little bit of traffic to your website then you can start adding some ad blocks in the side bar (or even splitting your posts if you want) with ads for related clickbank products, amazon products, adsense, or whatever.

    Work on that website just a few hours a week and in a few months you can have a pretty decent site. Keep doing it and by this time next year you could have the kind of site you want.

    If all that sounds like way too much work for you, then well... you really don't want the type of site you keep talking about. I guarantee the guys that built engadget spent a bit of work on it. lol

    So... you can pick a niche now, build a small site that doesn't really seem like much, keep adding to it every week and in a year you can have the kind of site you'll be proud to tell people about. Or every month you can not bother starting a site because it won't start out as the kind of site you'll be proud to tell people about. Then by this time next year you'll still just be talking about the kind of site you want, but will be no closer to having one.

    Whether you want to just make a bunch of quick and dirty websites, or you want to create some good quality websites, either way you still have to start from about the same spot. Whether it's just gonna be "some shit website" or "a REAL website, that offers REAL value" is up to you, but it's a guaranty you won't have either if you don't start with something.

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  2. chipmunk951

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    Thanks for another great post!

    P.S - This may be weird, but your posts are always so well written with good sentence structure, flow, and grammar! You must have done well in writing essays when you were in school! :)
     
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    very great post ,it's helpful
     
  4. Gammbyt

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    This is some really good advice GreyWolf. I remember when I first started getting into web design and IM thinking this same thing - I wanted to have a really good site that people would really like so that they would keep coming back. I can't even remember how many sites I started building and then scrapped because I was afraid that people would not like them.

    Then I realized that I would never know if the site turns out to be good if I don't put it out there and see what happens. Granted - the first few really sucked BAD, but with each new site I develop I can see them getting better and better. I have also learned through reading on BHW and a lot of trial and error which methods work really good for SEO and which ones get you sandboxed faster than I could have imagined.

    In the words of Thomas Edison: "I have not failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work" (well maybe not quite that many but you get the point).
     
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    Great post...don't know how else to put it LOL. This definitely gave me a lot of motivation.

    About a month ago, I decided to start 3 micro niche sites per week, until I had like 150 sites. I then came to realize it was hard to offer quality on such small sites, so I'm only making about one of those a week.

    A week ago, I created a site I hope to turn into an authority site over time. Like you said, the beginning is difficult, no question about it. It's easy to lose hope. People seem to expect that those authority sites grew out of the thin air over night. Nope, not true at all. It took them time, but it paid off eventually. The keyword I'm targeting gets 110,000 exact match searches a month, with a CPC of $11.00 (I'll be monetizing on Adsense). Here and there, for a short few minutes, I lose a bit of hope, but then I realize that again, it's going to take TIME. And you're post just gave me enough motivation to last for a couple of months.

    Great share man. + Rep !
     
  6. GreyWolf

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    Yeah that's the real point of my post. You can't just keep dreaming about the great useful site you want to build and then never start anything. Just start building a site (or sites) and then work to make it (or them) into whatever it is you want.

    In other words you have to take some action. It won't just happen by itself. :pirate:
     
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    Great post.

    I can speak from experience because I am very much a perfectionist, so I always have a problem with never being satisfied 100% with anything I put out there.

    Even now, I catch myself getting behind on my tasks because I'm trying too hard to make everything perfect.

    The reality is that nothing is perfect, so the best thing to do is just do your best and keep moving forward. It's definitely worth it in the end.;)
     
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    Wow, this post actually opened up my mind.

    yukinari84, I pretty much have the same problem. Ha!
     
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    Yeah I think that's pretty common for anyone. That's really what helps makes better websites though. It's all a refining process.

    There might be some people that can just toss something up and have it be perfect right from the start. For the rest of us though, we need to work on it.

    The key is to not let that quest for perfection stop someone from even starting. Things don't always have to be perfect in order to work. :cool2:
     
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    GreyWolf tells it how it is - not how some folks dream it is!

    There is one common theme running through all GreyWolf's comments it is that dreaded word - WORK -which is the defining word why people succeed - because they WORK and keep on trying!

    Thanks GreyWolf great post:cool:
     
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    Yeah, that's a fact!!! Internet Marketing isn't a get Get Rich Quick scheme.

    There are people that do hit on something really good, and many of them might actually get rich quick, but for most people it's more like any other career - to succeed it's going to take some work.

    The difference between IM and other careers though, is once you do hit on something that works you can duplicate it and automate it. But for most people it will take a lot of work to reach that goal, and a large percentage of the people thinking they found a Get Rich Quick method will give up before they ever make any money.

    It's kind of like the fable of the tortoise and the hare. While the swift are busy burning themselves out, the race is ultimately won by the slow and purposeful. The hare is the guy looking to get rich quick, and the tortoise is the guy looking to build a long term sustainable income.

    If you can keep you're eyes on the goal, work with a purpose, and don't give up then eventually you can succeed. :cool2:
     
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    And he's right.

    There is only 1 thing that separates the people that are making money online and the ones that are not:

    the application of the knowledge they have acquired.

    You can read every ebook, go to every seminar, buy every automation tool out there, but if you don't apply anything, you won't get anywhere.
     
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