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If you already have a link from a site is there much point in getting more?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Ranko Jones, Apr 30, 2011.

  1. Ranko Jones

    Ranko Jones BANNED BANNED

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    ...from the same site?

    I have been told that it's diminishing returns but I am not sure of the validity of this.

    If this is true then it changes the game quite a bit.

    I.e. I have been writing a web 2.0 article for each article I have on my site today but I just realized if I get one article on one site and link it is there much point in doing it again for the same site (like squidoo) or will I get less/negligible juice then?

    Thing is people were recently saying that G ranks pages and not the site as a whole which indicates that you should get juice for each new page, maybe?

    There is so much guesswork involved in SEO I'm surprised anyone makes money from it :(. I guess it's just a case of keep trying stuff till you hit gold- similar to the old west goldminers.

    Same with article submissions and whatever otehr 'link directory' you use....since people are saying you should link to individual pages I have had the idea of doing a pyramid for each new article/keyword but if I'm using the same web 2.0's each time then is it not a gonna give me much extra juice if linking to the same places each time?

    There is the context relevance thing which could change matters.

    But I have no fucking clue and am just wildly speculating like usual in this game.

    Anyone offer any light on the situation...?
     
  2. SupaMonkey

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    In short, yes :)

    Elaboration: To my knowledge, yes, you get less credit for 'same domain' links. So, a link from 2x PR1 pages on 2 seperate domains > a link from 2x PR1 pages on the same domain.

    Personally, I dont think that means you should disregard a second, third (etc, etc) link. Its all good and it helps with giving you authority and ranking.
     
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    What he said
     
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    Seriously though, I felt like why submit to the same sites if link power is based on unique ip. I can understand playing the numbers incase one of your links get deleted.

    The big question for me though is deep linking. If I were to build links to a page other than the main, will that page rank on its own or is it reliant upon the main page link power.

    Not sure if anyone truly knows so I feel you on this.
     
  5. Ranko Jones

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    Are you talking about deep linking to your own pages? i.e. not the mainpage or linking from other pages of the other site (I'm not too familiar with the deeplinking term other than having read it thrown around here and there)?

    If it's the former I made a similar query myself recently. The general consensus on that was to link to other pages due to 'google ranking individual pages not sites'.

    So are you saying linkpower is generally believed to be based on unique IP- or that hypothetically if it is but you don't know? wasn't sure since you wrote 'if'. :D

    Ah supamonkey said it too so I guess this is general consensus?

    Is that why on some backlink checkers they have the 'unique domains' result as well? I was unsure what the point of that was until now- if that is what it is concerned with.

    I just checked majestic SEO and it said 'referring domains' is this the same thing?
     
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    iagotheinsane Junior Member

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    Basically my take on this is if site A has 200k backlinks (1k unique domain/ip) vs site B with 20k backlinks, but have 2k unique domains, then site B would rank higher.

    I'm still trying to figure out deep-linking. For example if my site is based on dog training, and I rank well with that keyword, but want to also rank for dog shampoo. Do I have to also backlink my dog shampoo page as if it's a standalone site or will it rank good due to the backlink power of the main dog shampoo page?

    The main page of course would have been also backlinked with 'dog shampoo' anchor text.

    I guess I'm trying to figure it out because I don't want to waste the time backlinking the dog shampoo page if it will rank based on the main page if the words were used during linking.
     
  7. SupaMonkey

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    From my personal experience, its very hard to rank your home page (www.yourdomain.com) for all your keywords - in fact, its a nightmare. Back in my more noob days (I think Im still in them as Im always learning? I dunno :p) - I always backlinked to my home page/domain and just targeted my keywords using the anchor text. While that will get you -so far-, the best way is to have a lot of content pages and build links to all of them.
    This is how I am currently targeting my backlinking:
    main domain: anchors with all keywords (for when its not possible to deeplink)
    - main sub-niche/keyword -> deeplink
    =-> sub- micro niche/keyword -> deeplink
    =-> sub- micro niche/keyword -> deeplink
    - main sub-niche/keyword -> deeplink
    =-> sub- micro niche/keyword -> deeplink
    =-> sub- micro niche/keyword -> deeplink
    - main sub-niche/keyword -> deeplink
    - main sub-niche/keyword -> deeplink

    I think you get idea? So when possible, always deeplink, it will help build authority on your site. So you would in your example, try rank your 'dog shampoo' page for that keyword, and not try rank your main domain for 'dog shampoo' (though it wouldnt hurt to build some 'dog shampoo' links back to your main domain for relevance). At least, this is the way that makes sense to me.
     
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    I've tested that behaviour many times. Tested this way:
    Posted links in my high pr blognetwork. From one article two links to the same target with different anchors. Result: On every try only the first linked key goes up in the rankings, the second had NO impact. It seems google ignores the second link if the target is exact the same.
     
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    From one article to one page using two different anchors, yes - I believe thats the case. However, from one article to two different pages should yield different results?
    Or, more importantly, from two separate articles/pages on the same domain to the same target or separate targets should pass love - and I think thats what the question is here...
     
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    thats right. impact is less, but there is still some.
     
  11. Ranko Jones

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    Got a decent discussion going here. Good to see others have thought about and testing out some different things.
     
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    I think you get no google points if you have 2 links on one page.For example you post 2 similiar comments on one blog post and only one gets counted.So maybe try different pages of same site?
     
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    Hehe - SEO can become a bit frustrated sometimes, but as you mention yourself, then is there really only one way to find your way in the SEO jungle. Keep trying and learn from your mistakes and experience. Only the engineers at google really know how the algorithm is constructed.

    But remember a few things when you try to find your way to the goldmine. Google try to show the best result when you make a search and one way to do this is to consider each link as a vote. But the impact of each vote (link) will be different, depending on where you place your link. When you make a link, then try to imagine that you don't know the owner of the moneysite, but you just find the content useful. So you will make a link to share this good information (thats why social media is very important in SEO!).

    As mentioned already in this tread, then does only the first link to a page pass on linkjuice, but if you make a link to two different pages, but on the same main domain, then will each link still pass on a lot of value.

    If you have a blogroll, then is G not stupid. It will recognize that you have xx pages indexed and on all the indexed pages will there be a link to your money site. So you will not get the same value, compared to the same amount of links on different domains.

    I believe that the age of a domain means a lot to G. I don't have any evidence for this, but it just makes sense to me, that a website that are 10+ years old is more trustworthy than a 1 year old domain.