If PR is dead, why do we still use it as the main metric?

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  1. Aatrox

    Aatrox Supreme Member

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    So, PR is dead. For years. It's dead. D.E.A.D. Yet, most sellers here offer "Get on this HIGH PR train", "We sell only REAL HIGH PR blog posts"... There is lots of tools online where you can sort websites by PR. Expired domains sellers also sell high PR domains. How come every SEO guy tells us PR is dead, yet we still use it, more than we should and we give it lots of attention? Is PR really dead then?
     
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    Because they target noobs that doesn't know any better.
     
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    Your title states "If PR is dead, why do we still use it as the main metric?".

    We don't.
     
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    Best we allow these sellers to sell shit links that wont rank a damn thing.
     
  5. LeanLow

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    That's why you run away from sellers who advertise "high pr"
     
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    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    2 things. Most don't and second, yes for us it's dead, but for Google it probably isn't.
    They just don't publically update it.

    Google still have a quality metric for individual URL's that measures citation.
    They just don't tell us what it is any more and it might be calculated quite differently from Pr

    Scritty

    (PS- One thing for sure, they don't use any metric that Moz, Majestic or whoever made up)
     
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  7. Aatrox

    Aatrox Supreme Member

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    Most sellers here do.
     
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    simple - PR sells. PR is still considered by Google although they aren't updating it anymore.
     
  9. Aatrox

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    Then why are people also saying PR is dead? It's kinda like a paradox.
     
  10. pixelgrinder

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    The metric is not dead, it still has value when evaluating links. It gives us information that a specific URL was valued at X PR in the past. When you use it with other metrics including ahrefs/majestic/PA you can get a better understanding of the value of a link.

    If someone was selling a PR4 domain with 35 PA vs an unknown or NA PR with 35 PA, I would ALWAYS take the PR domain.
     
  11. UptonGoodwin

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    Seems like with PR not being (publicly) updated for 2 years, yet everyone focusing on PR as a way to sell services and domains that the best domains are going to not have a recorded PR history at this point. A domain with a PR4 is going to be a HUGE target for marketers trying to sell services and more likely to have been used for black hat methods.
     
  12. Jack Torrance

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    I say Majestic metrics are the best. There are no two ways about it. Trust Flow and Citation Flow are current and up to date, not a snapshot from 2 years ago (or however long) like PR. The site could've lost tonnes of links since the last PR update for a start. But TF also gives a better idea of the quality of sites linking to a certain domain. PR is like Citation Flow alone with no trust metric for comparison.

    Or let me put it another way: If I check a PR3 site it's pot luck whether it's gonna be spammed shit or not. If Majestic shows a good TF to CF ratio, however, it's almost NEVER wrong unless PBNs have been used. If the ratio is bad it's almost ALWAYS spammed shit unless there are very few links.
     
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    This.

    And the above pretty much explains why.
     
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    We don't.

    Only Noobs do so!!
     
  16. auraita

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    ah, how we don't..? if you say "- i don't", then ok, i understand it but don't say we don't.. have you ever visit marketplace or didn't you even see a "find high pr domains" tutorial written by some "gurus(!)" ?
     
  17. VinceC

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    Because they are sellers, and want to clear their "high PR" sites
     
  18. burnett4congress

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    This is the correct answer. PR was last publicly updated in December of 2013 (2 years ago at this point). So the measurement gives us a view of the page's authority at that moment in time. If the link you are buying (which you shouldn't do, but I know you will) is on a domain that was an authority for years, PR is still a valid measurement for that domain. It's not the only thing to look at of course.
     
  19. whiteblackseo

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    I personally don't give a damn about PR. Page Authority, TF, CF, are the main metrics I look at.