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If G deems all linkbuilding as forbidden how do they expect ppl to see your content?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Ranko Jones, Apr 12, 2012.

  1. Ranko Jones

    Ranko Jones BANNED BANNED

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    I realized today this seems like epicly stupid logic.

    I've read before how they say if the content is of high quality then people will naturally link to it and that's how it gets up the serps. If you had not built any links though noone would know about it so how the fuck would anyone link to it?

    This is what I tried when I first entered IM. I would write great 1000 word posts myself on a topic I was greatly knowledged in so knew it was top notch stuff. I waited months and months and nothing happened. I knew nothing about keyword research back then but later found out this was a 500k keyword in the DATING niche.

    So big G how the FUCK was my 'super content ' suppost to get seen?

    I really don't get how they think it SHOULD work since they deem all intentional link building as forbidden.

    I've been trying to do things 'whitehat' recently but once I've written my article I think, hmm now what? I'm not 'allowed' to build any links according to G so I should just sit here and pray the G Lord shines favorably on me and magically jumps me to front page?
     
  2. agent-x

    agent-x Junior Member

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    Of course G wants to discourage site owners from linking to each other, so that surfers need another way of finding the pages they're looking for....like a search engine.
     
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  3. assphuck

    assphuck Senior Member

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    Google wants you to spend money on Adwords, of course.
     
  4. jb2008

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    Assume no one builds links for the purpose of ranking, which is what G is based on. Then how would people rank for X Y Z keyword? They would rank based on domain authority, content quality, relevance and (when you get traffic) user behavior when on that site. Hence if your content is good quality and relevant, you should gain a few visitors. Then if people think it's useful they will start linking to it.

    The major problem here is that almost everybody is building links. That increases the competition and decreases the likelihood that a site with no links can be seen, regardless of its quality. If the whole internet actually listened to G and didn't build links on purpose, their dumbass system might stand a chance of working. But as long as money is involved, people are gonna do whatever they can to get ahead.
     
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  5. GimmeMoney

    GimmeMoney Regular Member

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    You're assuming google is the only place to get traffic from. Promote your pages on other sites and let the people there link to you naturally. Once google finds those links, they'll start ranking you higher. The internet is bigger than google.
     
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  6. jairathnem

    jairathnem Power Member

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    High quality content will rank by itself. I still believe this line.

    Take for example this site : www.videocopilot.net
    it ranks 4 for the term "after effects" ... It gets its advantage because content in top-notch and so many link to that site for after effects tutorials.

    very good content + fair amount of link building = good SERPS.
     
  7. gin.of.da.game

    gin.of.da.game Newbie

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    Been doing some research on this for few days on "Genuine Link Building Process accepted by the BiG G" and I landed in one the Google Webmaster Tool Support thread, which it had a long shitty answer given to the raised question. The one part that got me interested was the following:


    • WTF are they intending to say here when they are talking about :confused: "Blogger - as a BUZZING COMMUNITY" :confused: (its an old unflushed sh*t hole) ?. Are they trying to put Blogger back onto its broken feet by fetching some undue advertisements through this "Google Approved Linking Scheme":mad2::mad2:
    • If they talking about "Editorial Votes" as being a parameter for higher SERP, then would other editorial platforms & Web 2.0 count under this propoganda.

    Senior BHW, please clarify.

    Thanks.
     
  8. Fwiffo

    Fwiffo Power Member

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    yes, this, for long term "real" projects, sometimes the best way to SEO is to go after traffic from as many different places as possible, then google follows that traffic. Of course, once those links are in place it's possible to "boost" the power of those links further...

    once saw a matt cutts video (not saying it's credible, just saying it's a source) - the way he explained "over" building links is that it's kind of like power tools on funny videos. If you hit your thumb with a hammer, it's funny but it won't usually seriously damage you. If you hit your thumb with a power saw, then you're probably going to have more serious damage. ie. in their words, avoid "high powered" link building, while "manual" link building is probably ok. Once again, not saying that's a credible statement, just giving a "perspective"
     
  9. GimmeMoney

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    If what you're saying is true - that high quality content will rank by itself without any links, then how does google determine whether something is high quality or not?
     
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    gorillabob1 Newbie

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    It's their way of pushing people into adwords and into their own services (google+, blogger, youtube, etc)
     
  11. Barbarossa

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    Really? Is that what you do? You run your business on the hopes that people will link to you site naturally?

    I almost thought I'm reading a Matt Cutts blog entry.
     
  12. Ranko Jones

    Ranko Jones BANNED BANNED

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    Yup thats actually what I was thinking as I was typing it.

     
  13. Ranko Jones

    Ranko Jones BANNED BANNED

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    i loled :D

     
  14. GimmeMoney

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    There's no need for hope when you create quality content and promote it properly. People will link to you and you will get rankings. Try it out.
     
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    I think they are referring to the whole world wide blogging community not just their lil service
     
  16. BLIXX

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    "Quality" is like porn - it's hard to define, but everyone knows it when they see it. From an algorithmic perspective, its about the mathematics of semantics (primarily), as well as the factoring in of other metrics for a particular webpage, when comparing those same things against a second webpage; when the 'math' works out, webpage 'A' wins and webpage 'B' loses (or v. versa). In essence: Master the English language, you master Google. Everyone knows when they are reading an adept writer, and so does Google bot... sort of.

    I know it goes against popular opinion, but there are instances in which backlinks are next to meaningless in SERPs results for a lot of queries, if for no other reason than the weight of other ranking metrics trumping backlinks almost entirely. However, when a niche is bursting with sites that blast away backlinks, yes, things get really complicated...
     
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  17. Dawgtown

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    I really like what everyone has to say about this subject as it will be more important to us IMers as time goes on. Especially after Big G rolls these Panda updates.

    Online businesses should be treated no different than offline ones. Take a brick and mortar sandwich shop for instance. If they make the best sandwiches in town (content), how are they going to sell them? ADVERTISE. Then, once they start to get some customers (traffic) to buy their sandwiches, if they are any good, then word of mouth spreads (linking) and more customers (traffic) will come to eat there.

    Just as in offline business, it is necessary to advertise to get off the ground and gain some traction in a market (or niche). It does not mean that paid advertising (PPC) is the only way to go. There are plenty of other natural ways of doing this and Big G will reward your linking strategy if it detects quality there too. More on this in a second.

    In the above sandwich shop example, billboards, posters, neon signs, newspaper advertisements, and the yellow pages would be acceptable methods of advertising (expensive, just like PPC) but certainly not the ONLY methods or most effective ones either. Instead, they can attend a local festival and set up a booth where they sell their sandwiches. Here, they also network with potential customers, shaking hands along the way and showing their faces.

    Now apply this technique online. What does Big G want to see and how will they reward you? Simple....Interact with others online. Join forums and post on other blogs. Answer people's questions and participate in the discussion about your niche. Sure, they want to promote their products (and protect their integrity) like Blogger and Google+ but if your links and interaction is only with these, then there is still little value. It is when you are involved with a diverse amount of these and interacting on all of them where linking back to your sites will receive the reward. However, if this is done in an unnatural way, such as 0 links created today and 1000 created suddenly tomorrow, it looks fishy.

    Content is still king and will always be. Keep writing good, quality, unique content and build natural links with your targeted audience. It's ok to say hello to someone walking down the street, isn't it? Be friendly on forums and participate on blogs related to your niche. Then invite someone to check out what you have to say on yours. It's ok to invite someone over for dinner, isn't it? Big G wants this "neighborhood" and supports it. Just be (or appear) natural.
     
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  18. Barbarossa

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    You didn't answer my question. Instead you gave me neg rep. Which is exactly why I dont give a fuck about the rep system here: Question a junior VIP's BS post and you get neg rep'ed.

    So what you're saying is you spend weeks or even months developing quality content and then let your audience do the link building for you? The question isn't if its possible, but if you do what you are preaching here.

    And what did you mean by "Learn manners" where you neg rep'ed me?
     
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  19. gin.of.da.game

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    I double support Dawgtown, with those really live examples. Well Done mate.Coming back to the topic, this is what the 'Scrapebox Era' has done to IM world. No Offence to the SB fan club but 'too much of something' is bad and 'too much of something in a really short time' is really really bad for your sites health.


    What NOT TO DO::cool:
    • Thousands of scrapped comments + Thousand's of Xrumer blast = Thousands of Backlinks in short time.
    • RESULT = :mad2: Doomsday condolence Letter from GOOGLE. :mad2:


    WHAT GOOGLE RECOMMENDS::cool:
    • (Few "Good QUALITY Backlinks-a-Day" + Really Good CONTENT) X 3 to 6 Months = Few Hundred Good BACKLINKS.
    • RESULT= :weather05 Merry CHRISTMAS WISHES from GOOGLE :weather05

    Note:
    Good QUALITY Backlinks refers to the following:
    • Quality Forum posts. (10-15 links a day)
    • Directories submissions (Depends on your niche's span, but not more then 100-a-week)
    • Quality GUEST posts in relevant blogs. (10 - 15 links a month)
    • If possible butter your cake with some PPC icing. (If possible Google Adwords.)

    Please add on if I have missed something.

    Thanks.
     
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  20. jairathnem

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    HQ content is SEO by itself.

    Google doesn't know that the content is HQ,it just predicts it.

    HQ content will have links crawling from everywhere..people will blog about it,comment,use the link as a reference ..etc..
     
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