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If Forum Blasts are so bad...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by jrgraham1125, Apr 22, 2012.

  1. jrgraham1125

    jrgraham1125 Newbie

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    This is probably more of a "what if" but I see so many people railing against backlinking to your money site that it has me wondering:

    If Forum Blasts to millions of locations is so frowned upon by Google, do people ever use that to their advantage? You would assume this could be used to sink the people above you in rankings by simply harvesting a monster list and blasting the top 10 sites in that niche you are competing against and having them get sandboxed (making it even easier for you to rank).

    I don't plan to do this but I guess my question is: is this a practice people employ and does Google (or the site owner) have a way to combat it? It seems like it is too simple of an idea to not have safeguards in place (or it would mean that the massive backlink blasts aren't as bad as people make them out to be).
     
  2. Expertpeon

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    Negative SEO is real and works quite easily, especially after Feb
    The best method isn't with Xrumer though (but this is good as well) the best is simply by making a crapload of high PR blogposts with the same anchor from a place like ALN.
    The site will take a nosedive and never recover... until google fixes their broken algo
     
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    I guess I just wonder how Google can allow there to be a "Negative" SEO impact when anyone with a copy of Scrapebox can ruin a competitors website with little effort.
     
  5. tywe1

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    I agree that negative SEO is real, but I don't think a forum profile blast to a domain is going to be enough to sink them in the rankings and would be risky to do since there is a chance of some positive benefits coming from it. I am not speaking from personal experience since I've never tried negative SEO, so I could be wrong and would be interesting to hear from others that have real experience with negative SEO methods, but I think Google just majorly devalues certain type of spammy links, such as forum profiles, especially when it detects many of them being built at once, so your efforts are just wasted when you try to do this. If they do put any negative penalties on this, then I can't imagine it being a permanent penalty, so you would probably still be mostly wasting your time to use this method on a competitor site. There is always the possibility that some of the links will give positive benefits too, so that's why I think it would be risky to try this on a competitor. If it was this easy to permanently sink a competitor, then I'm sure everyone would be doing it by now and we could all overcome our competitors easily :) Instead, you should focus on building higher quality backlinks than your competitors are doing and do it in larger numbers. Private blog networks are ideal for this, but you just have to be careful and make sure you diversify your links to other types in order to prevent a total loss of rankings if your private blog network posts end up getting deindexed one day. It's also pretty important to build tier 2 backlinks to all of your tier 1 links if you want them to hold any weight, especially since blog network posts are most effective when they are first posted and then lose their effectiveness once they get pushed deeper into the bog site.

    Hope this helps!
     
  6. Expertpeon

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    Google became literally obessive and foaming at the mouth to destroy blog networks in Jan, they didn't even really run the simulations on it.
    They assumed that a lot of their best sites, and best webmasters were all white hat... they assumed wrong and when the punishment rolled out every major high/medium comp site dove.

    Google should have realized that a customer who is willing to spend a ton of money, time, effort, intelligence and such on backlinks, is the customer they should reward, because chances are they will spend just as much time on their customers



    Naw, all it takes is farming 20,000 or so guestbooks and link dropping areas, blasting it with Xrumer, and waiting 3 weeks.
    Trust me, it'll work. Choose a site with <1500 links per month coming in and try it.
     
  7. beaglejuice

    beaglejuice Power Member

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    Do you really think that google will decide base on emotions? Google has all the resources they need to make an intelligent decision. Your opinion is baseless.

     
  8. Expertpeon

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    Netflix thought they made an intelligent decision too...

    Except ivory tower big business people OFTEN make bad decisions, because they're out of touch with reality and how things truly work at the molecular level.

    Just look at some major niche across the board and get back to me about how much better results are in google than bing/yahoo. Hint: they're not, they're a lot worse
    Back in April 2011 results improved, now they have severely declined. WP spam fills page 1 across highly prized terms.
     
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    Wow, interesting stuff guys, thanks very much for sharing! I didn't realize how hot this negative stuff was these days, lol. The only thing I would still worry about though is what happens when Google changes their algo again in the future and these negative links possibly start holding some weight again? Google is pretty well known for making changes to try and combat spammers but then reversing those changes later once the spammers have moved on to other things, since G ends up realizing that they are hurting reputable sites as well in the process. What do you guys think?

     
  10. Expertpeon

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    I do think google will patch out this problem at some level, I'm not sure how effective their patching will be returning results to something reasonable.
     
  11. jrgraham1125

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    I believe all of you as I am sure you have far more experience in SEO then I have. I am just surprised that Google wouldn't have put in the forethought to see that they are basically handing over a gun to anyone wanting to destroy a competitor. I don't understand why they wouldn't just make the system based on a "cap" of the amount of pull you can get from backlinks.
     
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    Decisions are ALWAYS based on emotions, at some level. Think of it as human nature. Google is still run by humans, right? I know we can't be sure about that ;) but if it is, there's a 99% chance they f*cked up.
     
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    negative seo is real and google has to sort this shit out because people are about to fuck other site up with scrapebox and xrummer. People might eve create there own private blog negative network. sounds funny but not is very possible.
     
  14. thejake

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    For as long as I can remember people using xrumer and scrapebox to spam forum profiles and comments, I remember people crying about getting sandboxed, deindexed, and penalized. To counter that dripping and varying backlink profiles between 2.0, socials and forums became popular, but to me as usual there's nothing new under the sun.
     
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    Something to think about... thin MNS sites with a low link velocity, on the whole, are likley to be more susceptible to these huge spammy blasts. Is G is clever enough to try and get us black hatters to destroy each other?

    I know for sure if i found out a competitor had done this to me id blast them straight back.
     
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    Valuable reply .. Thank you for this ..
     
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    I'd like to see asense revenue figures when this all started,I'm guessing the spike is pretty much vertical.
     
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    Interesting take. But surely not... ?:confused: