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If Direct ScrapeBox Links Will Hurt Money Site, Why Send em To 2nd Tier or Any Tier atall?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by timchuks87, Feb 3, 2012.

  1. timchuks87

    timchuks87 Junior Member

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    We all have heard it over and over from thread to posts(....even with some PROOF) that it hurts ranking to send direct scrapebox blast to your Money site; it devalues ranking. Agreed! We be all in Concause here!!!

    But how come when i look up threads and even some service-offering on BST, i find many providers and posters,alike, adding or rooting for SB blasts to lower tiers: Web 2.0 properties, Wikis, Blog Networks Posts, pointing to the Money site.

    I mean, if a SB blast will devalue a money site that is perhaps ranking for something, what happens to a newly built page/post on another site. If the page was worth little as a new page what happens when it is stripped of that little worth by a SB blast........... what is your backlink now worth?

    Doesn't this Devalue the whole Backlink structure, we intend building?

    Well as for me i disbanded from this Concause, sometime ago. I use bookmarks. And when and if i were tempted to use SB, i go for very high Volumes, atleast 150,000links/month(...for a couple of months) per property in the lower tier.(Saved by the shear Volume) Not doing mesearly 1000 links to the lower tier properties.

    Common Sense, Folks. Common Sense!!! Or What Say You?

    Cheers....
     
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  2. teamred

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    The difference is your money does not have many backlinks compared to web2.0 sites like blogger.com for example.

    What would 100,0000 look like going to your money site - would not be natural at all

    What would 10000000 links look like going to Blogger.com - unnoticeable

    That is the difference, the parent domains are so huge that it is no big deal whereas link diversity, structure and velocity would mean everything to individuals website
     
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  3. timchuks87

    timchuks87 Junior Member

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    Then Ideally, i can compete for any keyword wielding only scrapebox, as long as i host my content on one of those web 2.0 site..........Just Blast and Blast till you get noticed?....and gifted with 1st page ranking....Hmmmmm.......I think not.

    Didn't you read an SEO write-up, i think it was posted here, where its 'proves' that SEs treats subdomains as separate domains, New Domains.
     
  4. dragondani

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    There's no problem to send a blast to yor money site, scapebox aren't very good links but count and are usefull.

    The trouble is when you send 100K links in a day...there's something called "link velocity" and if yo do now tons of links today, none the next week and tons the other week...well, search engines could be suspicious.

    But guet this links and sent them to 20-30 100 "buffer sites" they give some additional power to them, receiving few thiusands links everyone..and if search engines caught them and thing some of them are cheatinga and sent to the sandbox,who cares?
    Scrapebox are usefull, but,for security reasons we prefer to blast to other sites to increase his "power". It's a less efective way to go, but much more secure.
     
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    This pretty much is my reasoning too!

    With large blasts you RISK your position IMO so by having that buffer you may be RISKING the buffer but in the event that the Buffer gets some benefit then so does the money site as a result.
     
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    That's if you are talking about about a somewhat established site.

    Set up a new site today, send SB links to it...and you see it is damaging. But Send them in shear volumes over periodic intervals and you might have a chance of beating the sandbox.

    But what we talking here, is a new page set up on a Web 2.0 site, and then 'juiced' down with a miserly 1000 SB links.

    And I have noticed that there is noting like harmless links with a new site, any kind of links you build to a new site will show movement whether up or down. Send crappy links you go down, get bookmarks or social links and naturally looking stuffs like that you go up.
     
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  7. genesis311

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    Sence when have direct scrapebox blasts hurt your website? I know that is comanly said on this forum but have you tried it personally? I blast my money site with scrapebox and xrumer. and I rank for keywords with 300K Exact searches.
    I wish scrapebox could sandbox websites if it could I could rank for anything by just sandboxing all the sites in frount of me. If someone made a tool that could guarantee to send your site to the sandbox it would be the most valuable tool in the world. I would pay thousands for it. ;)
    As long as you have link diversity and link velocity you will be fine with scrapebox and xrumer
     
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    You missed a point there, bro. New Site, New pages, new post........now we have no link velocity, no link diversity and what you are mostly been given is a 1000 SB links to your Web 2.0 posts and that is all(With certain services on BST). Tell me does that not kill the value of that post?
     
  9. rody00

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    If you can't understand that SB can juice up web 2.0 props than just don't do it. If you really are scarred of them being devalued just try something else this is blackhatworld not warriorforum ;)
     
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  10. timchuks87

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    Well, bro it aint about being scared, its about busting a myth. Every backlink service provider on here, will include a few SB blast as a compliment to freshly built web 2.0.

    So question is, is that really useful. Doesn't it defeat the purpose? If you can send a miser 1000 SB links to a Newly built site, why send it to a new built web 2.0 prop? And claim its useful.
     
  11. genesis311

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    Ok if you think blasting new web2.0s will hurt your money site dont do it.

    However you are wrong it dosent hurt your money site it helps it. I was ranking #18 for a keyword. It was a brand new site and I had created about 3000 backlinks to it from wikis, web2.0s, blog posts, and bookmarks. The site danced for a few days then stopped at #18 I then took all 3000 backlinks and blasted them with 200,000 scrapebox links and 100,000 xrumer links

    so each backlink got 66Scrapebox links and 33Xrumer links.

    This caused my site to dance again then it jumped to #7

    This was a brand new site and I did no other backlinking except what i stated above.

    It seems to me like you are trying to prove that blasting your tier 1 links dosent help but the fact is your wrong it does work.

    you can argue with me about it if you want but you would still be wrong. If you realy think it will hurt don't do it. and i will continue to rank sites using this method
     
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    There is something called trustrank that G factors in when ranking sites and a brand new site will have NONE ZERO! So 1000 links will do more harm than good in that case.

    But a brand new web 2.0 will still hold some trust rank from it's parent domain so it the 1000 links will actually juice it up.