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Idea for Content on BHW

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by xha44a, Dec 29, 2013.

  1. xha44a

    xha44a Power Member

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    Hi,

    So I came up with this idea on BHW. I have purchase (over the last month) content from 15 providers on BHW - BST's mostly including some private ones. Out of those 15 I can say that 2 came up with content that was decent enough for money site, 1 for Tier 1, and the rest I would relegate to Tier 2 type of content, including 1 article by a content provider that has now been SL'd - which was blatantly spun despite advertising no spin, original English native speakers etc blah blah.

    Anyway, I thought it would be good for BHW to do a test here. Here's my idea.

    1) Come up with 1 topic
    2) Buy an article from EVERY (or almost every) content provider with a BST.
    3) Have the content rated (1/10) by a whole bunch of people with some specific criteria.
    4) Post the results so saps like me can weed out the spun content people and only deal with decent writers without having to pay a whole ton of people individually.

    What do you guys think so far?

    So now comes the next part. I can't afford to order 1 article from everyone on BHW. So I'm hoping we can crowdfund this so to speak. If a whole bunch of people were to throw in $5 for content here on BHW I'm sure we could purchase content from each provider. Everyone who threw in $ would then get an opportunity to rate the content on a scale from 1/10. At the end of the cycle as it were we would at least know which writers not to waste our money on.

    Now before you think I'm trying to take your money and run (I'm fairly new here so legit suspicion), I will say that I don't have to be the one organizing this. Ideally we would have someone with a decent amount of REP/cred step in to organize this to provide some degree of confidence to the participants... We could collectively come up with a fairly generic topic that doesn't require a lot of expertise to review.

    I'll put $10 into it to help weed out the spinning clowns. I'm tired of having spun content sent to me and told there's your finished article written by a college educated American.

    Anyone else willing to throw money in?

    Anyone with some serious REP here on BHW willing to step up and organize this?

    Sincerely tired of crappy content

    XH
     
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  3. xha44a

    xha44a Power Member

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    I can't tell if that is good or bad
     
  4. JoeMongan

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    Or better yet look at the reviews below someone's service thread.
     
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  5. tony_d

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    Indeed, I think reading someones BST thread gives you a pretty good idea of what you're up for, doesn't it? Possibly PM one or two people who've bought, and ask for more details if needed...
     
  6. Beven

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    The BST's are full of reviews. You want to buy content from every BST to do what.... review it.
     
  7. prab1996

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    post a shit list man , because article was spin crap then you have right to post a shitlist.
    that bst will be closed due to violating tos and making false promise.

    that is one of reason i not buy articles from bst.
    if some one will provide a cheap article then he will do some type of black hat.
    if you will get quality article then you will have to pay more.
    (quality article sellers here charge more than they charge at other places , natasha nixon charges more on bst than he/she charges on fiverr )
    there is a quote "you will get what you pay for" but "if you have brain then you can get quality for cheap"
    -=-
     
  8. danms

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    Ready for my rant?
    here we go:

    <rant>

    Stop fucking around.

    Were you born yesterday?

    Would you go to a dentist who charges $20 an hour and expect A class treatment?

    Do you honestly think a writer, any writer, will work for 5 bucks or $10.

    Go ahead, try to write a good article that will pass your standards and come back to report how much you'll charge for that.

    You want research, engaging, titles done right, proofread before delivery, customer service, take the order and process it, bookkeeping, deliver it to you, deal with revisions and complaints...

    All for lousy a $5?? Are you fu**ing serious?

    Can you buy a piece of content that's completely unique for $5? No. $10? Maybe.. but a total blurb, no real research.

    Now, if you want it done right, with proper research, attention to your needs, proofreading and engagement - you need to understand there's time and skill involved. That means, you need to pay accordingly.

    Do you understand what it takes to deliver such an article? Great, PAY UP!
    Do you want a blurb? pay those $10.

    You can keep living in a fantasy world where there are people working for a few bucks, it doesn't exist. You can keep buying 5-15 bucks and think you're getting quality - but you don't. So why people keep buying this shit?
    1) they understand they get what they pay for.
    2) they are too cheap and don't know how to monetize good content.
    3) they're broke and try to hustle, for no good reason or strategy.
    4) they're naive.

    I used to buy content from textbroker, forums and freelance sites. I got crap even for 20-30 bucks an article.
    Then I took the time to read what the other side thinks of us marketers, I've done my share of reading blogs and "reviews" of such content mills, and I came to realize - I should pay them better or build my own team. I now have my own team of writers, hired full time and it took me weeks to get them where I wanted them to be and make the switch from "I want XXX words and please make sure keyword density is YY%", to my high standards.

    When I need a special something, or an article that's too technical or niche specific, I pay someone who knows what he's doing.

    And when I need a dentist, I expect the high bill. I don't expect them to work for peanuts. You know why? Because:

    When you pay peanuts - you get monkeys!

    </rant>
     
  9. 2DHades

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    Recently I bought articles from 3 different BST sellers.

    1st seller delivered an awesome quality of articles. Yet, they made a big mistake with my instructions, so I had to redo some of the articles manually. There were tons of good reviews on the thread.

    2nd Seller delivered below-average quality of articles. Content was unique, but I wasn't satisfied - simply, it wasn't good enough. Again, there were TONS of very good reviews.

    3rd Seller delayed the order with 7 working days. The quality was above-average. There were not that many reviews in the thread.


    I never left a review on any of the BST threads. I guess we all should be just more honest about these reviews. People VERY often leave a good review (and cut the bad/crap part), just to avoid a confrontation... cuz you know, when you leave a bad review, the seller will 120% respond to you, and then you have to defend yourself...

    What about all the BST threads that are selling SEO services, and all great reviews "very fast turn around time, great communication" - well, who really cares about that?
     
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  10. hes21

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    There are lots of reviews saying services are excellent which are crap. I think most people are hesitant to post negative reviews, and if you complain to the provider they normally fix it, so no need to complain. I think a public comparison would be useful but not popular.
     
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  11. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    Nice Idea. Unfortunately I don't think it will work as you would like.

    Did you put honest reviews in the Sales threads when you received spun content?
     
  12. xha44a

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    I'm not sure if perhaps you have issues with reading and comprehension or perhaps just looked at the first dollar sign you saw in the post and then proceeded to rant without actually thinking to finish reading, but I am going to try and be nice in my reply.

    I wasn't born yesterday. Writers work for whatever prices they charge. I am serious. I can.

    Now if you would take the time to look at the post you'll see that I suggested that PEOPLE throw in a minor amount like $5 into a general pot, and if enough people throw in we can buy 1 article from EVERYONE on BHW. I then proceeded to say that I would for my part throw $10 into the community pot towards such a goal if people were interested.

    How you went from a suggested contribution to a community fundraiser (to try all content on BHW) of $5 to I am only paying $5 or $10 for content is frankly a thought process I doubt I will ever be able to follow. Now please if you have nothing but irrelevant ranting to contribute go find another thread. Thanks.

    For what it is worth, I have paid form $3 to $30 for my content, each article 500 words. The best two writers came in at $6 and $9 respectively, and I am still working with them now and no I won't share their names.

    I guess what I am saying is I'm finding reviews in the BST's misleading. Other posters here are saying the same thing - that they have received all different qualities from BST's with great reviews and don't feel the reviews are perhaps reflecting the quality as accurately as they could be. That is what I'm trying to address. Perhaps people are hesitant to post negative reviews to avoid the conflict. I don't know.

    I know for the spun content I received I didn't post a negative review or get the guy SL'd. Why? I got my money back from him when I pointed out the blatant spinning and left it there. Was it at all as advertised? No. Were the reviews what I experienced? No.

    That was why I came up with this idea. If you don't like it that's great go use your own team of full time writers. I don't have money for that as much as I would like, so I was just trying to come up with a decent way to get some genuine feedback and samples of writing to help me stop wasting my time whenever I want to try new writers.
     
  13. ACBerg

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    OP I get what you're saying, and I don't think it's a bad idea at all - for the exact reasons you mentioned (people are too often unlikely to post below average reviews, don't want to be confrontational, etc. etc.) Especially interesting if, as you said, there were some standardized criteria according to which all content could be reviewed (somewhat) objectively. Shame it's unlikely to gain traction
     
  14. danms

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    Reading it now, it seems a little harsh. If I offended you, I apologize.

    I did read it though, and I still think most people (not specifically you), don't know how to tell if the content is good. I know that because I've been there myself when I just began.

    Looking at threads here, and on other forums, you can see people complaining about high prices when an article is $20 or more, and service providers call it "premium". Now if you're a good writer, you feel the pressure, you can't (or think you can't) ask for more and that makes you, as a writer, lower your standards. And the good writers, don't even try to open a thread. I know that because again, I spent some time on their blogs and they were all complaining about "how can I work for 1-5 cents a word"?

    It's unrelated to BST, but did you try TextBroker's highest level? I think it's decent.

    As far as reviews go, most posters are freebee seekers, many of them can't really afford to pay full price. That's the sad truth. If they'll post their real opinion and grade the article 1-10, review copies won't be given any more because they're now sabotaging the sales thread. That's the nature of the BSTs.

    The only real reviews you can get is from unbiased people, like those who paid full price and can afford to "waste" a few bucks for a test, or respected moderators who can tell what's 1 and what's 8.

    But again man, we all get what we pay for. You said you can get good articles for $9, I believe that's true. But your exceptions from this one is not to be "great" and "engaging", but to be completely unique, a bit research a quick proofread. The problem is when people expect to get more for that price. Again, I know because I was one.

    So to sum it all up, I believe the only ones who can grade the articles are customers who paid full price and moderators.

    As for your idea, it might work. But IMHO, you should be able to "waste" a few bucks to test a service. Group buys and the like never worked for me. It's complicated and you'll trust only yourself and other respected members, these are usually the ones who can pay and give an honest review.
     
  15. Lakitu

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    Sharing is caring. :)

    Also, why don't you start us off by writing reviews on services you've already used? Get the ball rolling.
     
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    very good idea! am in with 10 bucks. on bhw many crap is sold this days. everyone is complaining but if someone comes up with an idea like you, everyone and his dog sings the praise songs on the"reviews", which are pulled out of the ... if wea re honest. this would be really good.
     
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    It's so much work. I think it is enough to read bst reviews and try various services to find which is best for your needs.
     
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  19. xha44a

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    No problem man I think I fired back as good as I got. I totally agree that the reviews on BST's don't seem to accurately reflect what you are getting. As you mentioned it's the nature of the beast and there's not much you can do about.

    Which was why I came up with this idea. A ton of content bought. Everybody rates it without knowing who created what. Crowdsource the rating of content to prevent one person's opinion from totally skewing it, etc.

    I haven't tried TextBroker's highest level - this is the first time I've heard of it and I will look into it :)

    Please read the thread. The problem I find is the BST reviews aren't working and accurately reflecting what is being produced.


    Anyway, it seems like I am not getting any really serious replies on here - excepting a couple of posters... seems like that's becoming the norm. Maybe this doesn't interest enough people - fair enough - I could just go it alone.

    XH
     
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    Your logic is broken. A writer living in Norway for example or in New York where living cost is high will have to charge a lot. A writer living in Bangladesh, India or Philippines can charge a lot less because living cost there is a fraction.

    Obviously it will be harder to find good English writers from Bangladesh, India or Philippines than from US, UK, Canada or Australia but it is not impossible.

    Nobody forces a writer to charge $5/article. That's his choice! He could charge $100/word if he chooses so. The fact he provides crap quality is not because of the price. Even if he would charge 10 times more money he'd still provide crap because that's his English level. So, when you order an article, regardless of the price, you expect an article that is readable and uses proper English. The depth and complexity of the article is another topic and I guarantee that you can find English writers who write less interesting articles than writers from non-English countries.

    Finding workers (in any field) is like picking apples from beneath the apple tree. Some are rotten, some are broken or squashed, some are green and a bit bitter and a few are just perfect. You eat the perfect ones, and if you want, you can pick the green ones too, and give them time to ripen. Thing is, most of the time the perfect apples have been already picked up and eaten by other people who were there before you. Hence, the only thing you can do is to take one that's a bit green and do your best to help him become perfect.

    The people who win are those who manage to do stuff with whatever they have at hand, not those who can get something done IF they have X resources.
     
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