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I want to start building my SEO empire - suggestions please

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by reggaeton, Feb 28, 2010.

  1. reggaeton

    reggaeton Registered Member

    Oct 28, 2009
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    I've been building money sites for the last months but most of them do not rank well enough (some of them are in page 1) but I hate link building.
    So I decided I will start building an SEO empire for link laundering and more...
    My goal is to get a million pages indexed by the end of 2010. I am willing to work hard.
    Now I need your advice.
    I am a follower of BlueHatSeo.com -
    Eli has a post about building an SEO empire there and that is what I want to start building.
    I am taking 100 niches (big ones) and targetting 1000 KW per niche for longtail traffic.
    I am planning on monetizing it using adbrite or peakclick + CPA or clickbank (no adsense thank you)

    I need web scraping tools to get DB content - I want the sites to look legit
    - which do you recommend:
    I've heard of
    - Which ones do you recommend?

    - What is best to go for WP with auto plugins or build my own sites
    - LFE, blogslammer, ez empire builder, webmagnates or the blog solution
    If I use any of these automated solutions: can I replace ads in many sites at the same time?
    Can I automate and measure the links I spread to my money sites?

    I am a programmer, which means I can build some sort of a site platform to use DB and then rinse and repeat, but maybe using WP is better

    My main goal is to build sites that look legit and can rank also, so the link juice will be worth something.

    I would like to hear from the experienced users that own such empires.
  2. blackhit

    blackhit Super Moderator Staff Member Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Jan 28, 2008
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    Dark Side Of The Moon
    I second the question on Visual Webripper.
    Love to hear some feedback on that.

    Checked out the vids on their site and it looks powerful.
  3. jesdon2

    jesdon2 Junior Member

    Jun 19, 2009
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    The biggest problem that I can see here is that the technique you are following is from 2007, which in seo talk, means it is pretty outdated. In fact, BlueHatSeo in general is outdated, they haven't updated the blog since Nov. of 2009 and changes in Google algorithms has shut down many of the techniques he had previous successes with.

    I will be straight forward and tel you that I know nothing about either of the two tools that you inquired about, however, I can tell you that I see a very limited benefit to creating millions of scraped content pages.

    First of all, there would have to be lots of c-block ip addresses used, when I say a lot I mean hundreds if not thousands of them. You may be surprised to find just how little benefit you get from millions of links from the same ip's. The key to ranking pages is having a wide diversity in ip's for incoming links. In addition, there should be no apparent association with any website, ie. domain registration information different,
    varying adsense accounts, hosted on different servers, etc.

    If you are just looking to sell links in DP or some other webmaster forum your idea would probably make you some money from the unsuspecting webmaster, the first question I ask when I buying links is "how many different ip's are used?" This question is becoming more and more common.

    Again, your idea "makes sense" on first thought, but I am afraid that you are setting yourself up for a huge disappointment down the road. You also have the problem of content, you said that you want the site(s) to rank, but I have to tell you that millions of pages of scraped crap content is most likely going to fall from the rankings faster than you can blink an eye. Unless of course you can build a ton(thousands) of quality inbound links to the inner pages of your database sites, thus building some authority within the domain itself.

    I have seen sites time after time that have say a hundred backlinks from a hundred different domains outrank their competition with thousands of sitewide backlinks on a select few domains, again this just enforces the theory of ip diversity in your link building.

    Regardless of what you do, I wish you the best of luck. My post was not meant to crush your ideas but rather to inspire changes that may save you from loads of headaches down the line.
  4. c0ntenth|ef

    c0ntenth|ef Power Member

    May 20, 2009
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    evidence and proof is power if you have some high ranking sites (for competitive niches) people will want your business, but i think just using some seo tools is not enough to be a seo expert.
  5. aмillionaírе

    aмillionaírе Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Apr 20, 2008
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    Millions of scraped content is absolutely useless if not mashed-up and well-formatted properly, and if you think you will get away with publishing all of that data at the same time, think again. Your site will never see the light of day. Taking into account what jesdon2 said about linking, I reiterate the fact that you're setting yourself up for a big disappointment. Your empire will sink before it rises (oxymoron?). There's a reason we don't have spontaneous recycled spam pages appearing in Google queries. Google will thoroughly scan, analyse, and box your site up a while before it even gives it a ticket. If it cannot make it out of the box, it's going to stay there.

    Think of it this way:

    1 spontaneous spam site = 1 day in the box.
    A million?
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2010
  6. tygrus

    tygrus Supreme Member

    Mar 28, 2009
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    You are starting at the finish line and working backwards and I think that is the wrong approach. You are going to build this massive thing with no guarantee if it will work. Try 100 pages first and if that bears fruit, then scale it up.
  7. jenniferarico

    jenniferarico Registered Member

    Feb 3, 2010
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    I'm quite agree with you.The number of ips would be the common asking.But the idea of setting such a thing is great.I hope he will be able to resolve this problem.Why don't you guide him properly?We all be benifited.
  8. reggaeton

    reggaeton Registered Member

    Oct 28, 2009
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    Thanks for all the thoughts and answers.
    First I am a "she"

    Second, I know bluehatseo is outdated that's why I asked about making this kind of empire with LFE, blog solution, blogslammer, or ez empire

    I know that I have one site that now ranks in #10 with less than a hundred links and what made it jump from #80 to #10 was the addition of loads of content.....(scraped of course)

    The duplicate content penalty is a myth, google is the biggest duplicator in Earth, news are syndicated like crazy...

    You can use duplicate content but u need to be intelligent about it.

    And regarding blueHatSeo I know is outdated, but there is one truth there and that is :
    "Content is king and your site needs to look legit"

    And if you have content google will love you.

    What I can tell for sure is that I've been reading a lot about google lowering quality score (in adwords) overnight for thin sites that are "affiliate reviews" site.

    I think that google is trying to find the sites that are thin review sites and will start de-ranking them. So the xfactor, google sniper and these kind of methods do not work so well anymore (without backlinks as stated in their ebooks) and they will fall in my opinion over time. G will understand they have no value for the searchers,
    Let's take some birds eye view and think: G wants to show the most relevant content possible and 5 pages affiliate reviews on "gap womens jackets" is not a good idea.

    So, that being said, I think it is time to start running towards G and not from G.

    I talked about 100 sites, and I did not say that all my links will be coming from the same IP.

    Regarding IPs, do you know how many unrelated sites are hosted in the same IP. Google cannot possibly know they belong to the same person, unless you leave footprints, and that being said , my questions are again:

    - 100 sites x 1000 longtail KW - they will get traffic and make some money adbrite or CPA offers - cloaked - lots of content and they will look legit
    - LFE, blog slammer, the blog solution or ez empire (I heard it is buggy)
    - hosting : VPS - but where - cheap but good service any experience?
    - web scraping tools ? any ideas? mozenda ?

  9. booster2ooo

    booster2ooo Junior Member

    Jan 17, 2009
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    I had quite the same idea but I'm in lack of funds. Anyhow, I'm gonna tell you what was on my mind, maybe it can help you even if I'm still a SEO noob :)

    First, I would need several hosting with different IP address (I though of about 1 ip for 10 sites (each one on his own niche), then scaling this up. eg: 100 sites on 10 niches need 10ips)
    Second, install Wordpress using Fantastico or some auto installer (I though of creating a script for massive WP building of several hosts but I didn't have the time yet to code it).
    Third, optimising WP (installing some cool themes(then theme keywords optimisation), Platinium SEO, Sitemap generator, statpress, etc.)
    Four, create the content and massively redirect it to Wordpress with my script (I created RSSEater ADVANCED for massive autoblogging and blog farming, it take foreign RSS feeds, translate them and post them to the blogs you choose in the admin panel)
    Five, start building link (StatBlast, LFE?, SocialBookmarking?)
    Last but not least, monetize using CPA/Adsense

    Just m 2cents :)
  10. nathanooo2

    nathanooo2 Registered Member

    Feb 3, 2010
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    You should better turn yourself into link building.
  11. desirock

    desirock Newbie

    Nov 10, 2009
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    good luck for your venture,but remember google for sure gives less impotance to sites which has links coming in from similar c-class ip address
  12. madoctopus

    madoctopus Supreme Member

    Apr 4, 2010
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    Full time IM
  13. gorang

    gorang Elite Member

    Dec 6, 2008
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    SEO Consultant - Marketing Strategy
    I just don't think you're looking at how you're going to get conversions.

    A million indexed pages? of what? Indexed pages is not a benchmark for making money.