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I want to build my own PC and get Zennoposter, what are the best specs to get?

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  1. oni3350

    oni3350 Regular Member

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    I live in Australia and I only get about 6mbps here, so not very fast internet.

    Eventually I may move to a dedicated server in the US or elsewhere, but while learning and playing around with Zenno it will be much faster and easier on my home PC, plus my PC is old and pretty crappy.

    I at least know I want an Icore7 and decent RAM.

    I do plan to have Zenno doing tasks as quickly as possible, but also I know that the success rate could lower if running way to many threads...

    Also while working I tend to work with a few programs running and a lot of tabs open in firefox, itunes playing, skype, ICQ, AIM all online..... So im looking at a machine that can handle this with ease.

    Im looking at everything from the case to Windows 7 (on XP right now lol) Don't really need an extreme graphics card or sound... no PC gaming for me.

    This is the site I will be buying from: http://www.austin.net.au/pc-components.html apparently its cheaper to build you own PC, but wait till you see the AUS prices lol, these parts are probably way cheaper in the US...

    My budget is around $1500

    So what are your setups or suggestions for me?
     
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    I heartily recommend building-your-own! Obviously you get a lot more control in the type, spec and quality of components compared to buying something preconfigured from HP or Dell. While the quality of these brand-named PC's is generally OK, you know they're squeezing the profit-margin on every single component.

    Whatever you do, don't get cheap on RAM .. its ultimately where everything ends up anyway and the faster your CPU/RAM combination is the better. When you're system starts running out of available RAM it starts "swapping" idle applications out to disk, this is really a performance killer - so again the more RAM the better.

    Automation tools like UBot and Zenno work by embedding a browser within the application .. last time I checked even Chrome sessions can chew up to 1GB of RAM - so the more RAM, the more sessions you can run simultaneously.

    Pseudo shopping list:
    • Intel Core i7 (Ivy Bridge / 3rd Generation, LGA 1155)
      http://www.austin.net.au/pc-components/cpus.html?cpu_processorclass=2240
    • Intel Z77-based Motherboard (pick your brand, I use Gigabyte)
      http://www.austin.net.au/pc-components/motherboards.html?motherboards_chipset=2323
    • 16GB+ DDR3 1600Mhz RAM (4x4GB sticks will do)
      http://www.austin.net.au/pc-components/ram-memory.html?ram_memoryspeedmhz=1788&ram_memorytype=1749
    • 128GB SATA3 6Gb/s SSD drive (primary Windows C:\ drive)
      Keep your core installation and programs here, makes Windows so much faster and applications open immediately
    • 2 x 2TB hard drives in RAID-1 (mirroring) (secondary D:\ drive for your data, I use WD Caviar Black drives)
      This is important, as well as backing up your data having a pair of drives in RAID1 (mirroring) vastly simplifies things. It's saved my data from drive failures more times than I can remember.
    • NVidia / ATI graphics card, doesn't need to be amazing unless you're a gamer but Windows and a lot of applications offload rendering to the GPU so as good as you can afford I guess!
    • Last but not least, don't get cheap on the power supply make sure you get at least a 600W one. Your computer doesn't draw that power all the time (don't panic about the bills) but its available when needed.

    Good luck, don't forget to take your time building it. Tidy the cables around the case to improve airflow, make sure everything is securely seated. A mate of mine blew almost $2000 on a new PC only to turn it upright for the first time and the CPU cooler came loose cracking the motherboard and wiping-out the graphics card. :D
     
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  3. satyr85

    satyr85 Power Member

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    6mbps is not enough for i7. If you want home PC for Zenno go for i3 and 16 gig ram or upgrade your internet connection. On Intel g620 i was able to run 15-20 threads while browsing internet etc. with cpu load 50-60%.

    Killer server (e3 + 32G ram - ovh.ca) for zenno cost 89$ monthly. Think also if yor templates need proxies. Proxies can cost more than dedicated server.
     
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    Hardware is cheap, but operating system itself costs at least $30 / mo at OVH. I'd say go with VPS if you want to play around. Depends on your skills, you only need a few weeks to be familiar with ZP. Once you have your bot ready, you can scale up vertically as you need.
     
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    And you dont have to pay 30$ to ovh
     
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    I'd really recommend to rethink your decision and get a decent VPS. In my opinion problem number one when using seo tools is bandwidth not the hardware.
    Then if you need more power you can get a dedicated server.

    Good luck,
    D.
     
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    My reading of the OP was he wants to replace his "old and pretty crappy" PC while acknowledging he'd move his Zenno stuff to a server in the future. ;)

    I agree that a 6 Mbps internet connection is not great for running automation tools, but you can compensate for that by disabling things you don't need - like Flash, Images etc. inside the embedded browsers. This will dramatically reduce the amount of bandwidth required to run these tools regardless of where you run them (home or server). When you've developed something you want to scale move it to one/more VPS's.
     
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    Thats what I was thinking, I was wondering if with zenno (with no socket coding skills, mostly browser based) if you disable a lot of the scripts, flash, images and other shit you may not need, if you could get closer to socket speeds.

    Your detailed set up of a possible PC sounds pretty complex lol, well not really, just the thing about the 3 HDs...... I wouldn't know how to configure the settings for the mirroring and if its REALLY needed.

    I was thinking of just one black caviar 500GB-1TB HD........

    And about RAM, if you beef it up to 16GB, isnt it true that most programs by default don't actually use that much RAM anyway?

    I know my way around a PC, but ive never put one together :p I may give it a shot myself so I can learn, if not I can probably have a guy at the PC shop do it.
     
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    Nope, if you set up VMWare and install you own Windows 7 x64 into virtual machine. OEM Win7 will cost under you $150 one off.
     
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    I didn't know Internet sucks that much in Perth. Move to the East Coast, mate :)

    Try msy.com.au. They are cheap and have branch in Perth now. I buy almost all hardware there.
     
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    Zenno is 32-bit app, so anything above 4Gb will not help Zenno.
     
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    Shit really??? But like ikstob was saying about the more RAM the better.... wouldn't it at least help a bit.....
     
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    Having more RAM means being able to run multiple separate programs to soak it all up, not one massive monolithic program that eats all your RAM (well except maybe Internet Explorer lol). I write a lot of automation software and run 20-30 separate instances, each one can use as much RAM as it needs (although generally not more than 1GB).

    One thing to note is to access anything more than 4GB of RAM you will have to install the 64-bit version of Windows 7 or 8.

    Setting it up is really simple, all Intel chipsets come with basic RAID functionality which you can enable through the BIOS. Once you've set it up first time (read the manual) you can manage your RAID array from their Windows-based utility "Intel Matrix Storage Manager". The rationale for the SSD C:\ drive is that it is *alot* faster to access than a regular hard drive - so Windows can access system files, installed programs etc. much faster than if they were on a HD.

    <geek-bit>

    When the operating-system needs a file from a hard disk it sends the instruction to the drive which figures out where on the disk surface that data is, the drive-head has to move to that location and lastly the disk has to spin round to the appropriate place to start reading the data track. This 'seek time' takes a few (7-12) milliseconds, but it all adds up when you have an operating system like Windows that does a lot of 'random access' to the disk. SSD's are just memory-chips, there are no moving parts so there is hardly any 'seek time' to retrieve data.

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    LMAO.

    I think all guys who give you advices here dont have zenno.
    @ikstob

    80 threads on shitty amd x3 (35% cpu load) and 6.5 gb ram + 19mbit internet connection. Op have only 6mbit and you advice OP to buy i7... wtf?! That thread (on zennolab forum) was about old version of zenno (v3) and it was eating more ram and cpu speed than Mental Power. Disabling pictures etc can help but sometimes its better if you dont disable pictures.

    You dont know what you are talking about. Mainly seo tools need bandwitch, not ram but zenno is different. Zenno load every template to ram. If template is complicated, have alot of steps one template can use 200, 300 or more mb of ram. Thats why best option is motherboard with 4 ram banks and 8gb memory sticks.

    Yes zenno is 32 bit app but every thread is diffetent process (base *32.exe) so every thread can use up to 4 gigs of ram. Zenno look like the core (zennoposter.exe) - it manage all templates, and templates (base *32.exe). Most ram and cpu use templates not zennoposter.exe

    @OP
    Its not possible to tell how much resoruces will use your templates. It depends on many factors like how often you use regex, search by picture, how many steps have your templates. Sometimes 10 small templates can use less resoruces than one big template. Go to zennolab.com/discussion and ask your questions here and you will get better answers. If you are still not sure what to do mail zennolab team, they always help.
     
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    Thank you too all who gave your advice and input.

    Today I have purchased parts, need to wait for some parts to come and and for them to build it, within the next 7 days I should have my new beast!

    I didn't buy this machine JUST for zenno poster, ive had my mind set on an Icore7 for a while now as I tend to have heaps of programs open while I work, and it will come in handy for After Effects video rendering and things.

    While this machine maybe a little too much for average day to day work, at least I have the machine to handle bigger tasks and a decent graphics card if I ever want to get back into gaming again :D

    Here is my parts list:

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    So what windows do you use at ovh.ca? Windows licence seems to be around $40 per month which is pretty expensive.
     
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    = windows license for free. Even if you will pay 40$ for windows license its still cheap for such dedi + 100mbps with no bandwidth limits.