i want to add rapidshare here

rapidshare's turned from a decent file sharing network to a complete waste of online space. With this new 10 limit download crap from non premium members and all.

It's time to move on folks

bhw should start their own. Only bhw members with X amount of posts should be able to upload/download.

simplybebop said:

bhw should start their own. Only bhw members with X amount of posts should be able to upload/download.

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very good idea! i vote for it!

If they did that then the owner would get sued faster than he can say black hat world.

For one, I am not really sure how the owner would be liable for the use of his/her product. Do we sue gun company's when someone gets shot. Two, he could register the LLC or corp in a foreign country where us copyright law doesn't apply , thats how most torrent sites get by with it from what Ive heard.

All about monetization (sp? im tired)

they are going to loose alot of users here... but I guess they gotta demand money at some point.. don't we all? :biggthump

To a certain extent, but if wal-mart jacks up their prices....I go to food lion.

But as the business model goes, raise prices, lose customers, but you still make the same gross because the price hike makes up for the lost business. So you have less work with less customers to manage, and extra money to spend on advertising. Extra advertising gets more customers......Rinse repeat

Well i don't think the owner would want a hell lot of warez on his/her servers.

I have always hate rapidshare. Im thinking of getting an offshore server and starting a no restrictions file uploading service.

simplybebop said:

For one, I am not really sure how the owner would be liable for the use of his/her product. Do we sue gun company's when someone gets shot. Two, he could register the LLC or corp in a foreign country where us copyright law doesn't apply , thats how most torrent sites get by with it from what Ive heard.

All about monetization (sp? im tired)

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We sue cigarette companies on behalf of smokers who got cancer. Don't forget, we are a very litigious society. I personally think the risk would not outweigh the reward.

fun4uoc said:

We sue cigarette companies on behalf of smokers who got cancer. Don't forget, we are a very litigious society. I personally think the risk would not outweigh the reward.

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But nobody who has sued a cigarette company has ever won. Do I blame the people who make no.2 pencils when my niece can't fucking spell. LOL


If you tell people not to upload stolen, copyrighted stuff, and they do anyway, you did your best.

You retain all of your ownership rights in your submissions.

liamizdabest said:

I have always hate rapidshare. Im thinking of getting an offshore server and starting a no restrictions file uploading service.

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It would be cool to build a island in international waters, with just servers. Law free hosting ftw.

simplybebop said:

But nobody who has sued a cigarette company has ever won. Do I blame the people who make no.2 pencils when my niece can't fucking spell. LOL


If you tell people not to upload stolen, copyrighted stuff, and they do anyway, you did your best.

You retain all of your ownership rights in your submissions.

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WHAT???

Dude, pick up a newspaper once in a while. They have paid out millions.

fun4uoc said:

WHAT???

Dude, pick up a newspaper once in a while. They have paid out millions.

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In settlements, not awarded damages.

helloall said:

Good idea but who has couple million lieing around.

Make that a a guy with a couple million who goes on forums like these

BTW: cigarette companies do pay out but those are for things like wrong warning label and stuff.

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Not true.

Big Tobacco Appeals Verdict

November 27, 2001 in print edition C-3

The tobacco industry filed its appeal Monday in the trial that produced a record $145-billion verdict for sick Florida smokers, claiming pretrial decisions and the two-year trial were riddled with legal flaws.

The nation?s biggest cigarette makers challenged decisions grouping all of the smokers in a single class-action lawsuit and attacked the punitive damage award as ?bankrupting and excessive.?

?Each of the phases of the case were infected with legal error and tainted with the misconduct of counsel,? Philip Morris Cos. Vice President Bill Ohlemeyer said. The trial was tarnished by ?a series of critical errors by the trial judge leading to an unconstitutional and unjust result.?

The 174-page appeal is the first stage of what is expected to be a prolonged legal battle over the verdict reached in July 2000.

Attorney Stanley Rosenblatt, who represented smokers in the Miami-Dade Circuit Court trial, had no reaction to the appeal itself but expects to take longer than the standard 30 days to respond.

?It?s a massive amount of material,? he said.

Besides questioning the legal basis for many trial decisions, the appeal attacked Rosenblatt?s trial rhetoric. Rosenblatt ?compared defendants to defenders of slavery and the Holocaust? before a predominantly black jury, the industry said, citing the smokers? closing arguments in the first phase of the three-part trial.

The jury returned with findings that cigarettes were deadly and addictive, opening the door for $12.7 million in compensatory damage awards for three smokers and group punitive damages?the largest jury award ever.

The defendants are Philip Morris, R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co., Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corp., Lorillard Tobacco Co. and the Liggett Group.

Liggett, the smallest of the industry?s five biggest companies, filed separate appeal papers that also adopted the joint court filing by the other companies.

The four largest companies settled lawsuits by 46 states trying to recover the public costs of smoking-related illnesses for $206 billion in 1998. Earlier settlements with the other four states boosted the total to $246 billion being paid over 25 years.

Exactly, I see settled, appealed, challenged dicisions

Money is nothing to these people, they will appeal and appeal and appeal till the people suing them and the law firm representing them settles out of court because the XX% they were gonna make for representing these people, is getting smaller and smaller because of billable hours gone un paid, paid with credit, or paid with money the firm made somewhere else.

Why represent someone when you make no money.

Thats why suing big tobacco is so hard, no firm is stupid enough to represent you.

simplybebop said:

Exactly, I see settled, appealed, challenged dicisions

Money is nothing to these people, they will appeal and appeal and appeal till the people suing them and the law firm representing them settles out of court because the XX% they were gonna make for representing these people, is getting smaller and smaller because of billable hours gone un paid, paid with credit, or paid with money the firm made somewhere else.

Why represent someone when you make no money.

Thats why suing big tobacco is so hard, no firm is stupid enough to represent you.

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Man, are you reading the same thing I am??? Obviously not. Here is a quote

"The jury returned with findings that cigarettes were deadly and addictive, opening the door for $12.7 million in compensatory damage awards for three smokers and group punitive damages?the largest jury award ever."

That is not a settlement, that is a jury finding against big tobacco.

You might need to search more on that.
Here is something from a very well known publication from 4 years ago.

2004

SARASOTA, Fla. -- R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. lost a Supreme Court appeal Monday, challenging a judgment awarded to the widow of a Sarasota, Fla., teacher who died of cancer, the Sarasota Herald Tribune reported.

R.J. Reynolds already paid the $195,000 judgment while the appeal was pending, and lawyers said it was the first time the company paid damages in an lawsuit.

And im pretty sure RJ Reynolds is on your list. Don't think they lost that one. From what I can tell, only 2 damage amounts have been awarded to people. both under 1,000,000, big whoop. Thats like me giving you 5 dollars

Enough with the legalese
Whether it was a settlement or a judgment the cig companies have paid out hundreds of millions of dollars.. because they were caught lying...time and time again.

Back to the Rapidshare topic please

Other forums do offer a rapidshare service to their members.
The forum owners won't get sued, it would be rapidshare.

Yes . . . I mentioned the fall of RapidShare in a thread I posted a couple of days ago called "Goodbye To RapidShare".

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/blackhat-lounge/31606-wizgizmo-goodbye-rapidshare.html

I think Rapidspread.com is the way to go for now.

Cheers! - "Wiz"