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I think you guys are too worried about your PBNs

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by nonai, Feb 22, 2014.

  1. nonai

    nonai Power Member

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    Everybody here always says the domains in your PBN have to be high quality. All links should be legit. If there are any signs of SEO being done to the domain, don't buy it. The content should be high quality and not spun. Domains should not be dropped.

    there is a site that is ranking for a very competitive keyword (a law keyword, $150 per click). It's been there for at least 4 months. It is using a PBN but all domains in this network are garbage (think luois-vuitton-handbags.info) and all the content is spun garbage.
    guy has been ranking for 4 months and doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

    So I think you should be less worried about your PBN and just build the damn thing instead of waiting for the perfect domains to buy (which you will not buy anyway because the price will be so damn high)

    Am I right? yes? no? maybe?
     
  2. Snckr

    Snckr BANNED BANNED

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    That's one example, and the thousands of other sites that have backlinks like viagra-cialis-store.cn are on the 400th page or get ranked for a week and they're gone.

    I spent $2600 on a PBN from a seller here and the links are ranking me and it definitely is making more than my initial investment, so it's better to be safe than sorry.
     
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  3. mickyfu

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    I may start worrying when my sites stop ranking and I am making no money.
     
  4. manny521

    manny521 Supreme Member

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    PBNs are the way to go, but super risky to point those links to your money site...

    I had a manual penalty against me for PBN links and I was ratted on by the "authority" site in my niche...

    I watched them looking at my links and then clicking on them as I have a chat client on my site that shows referrer date in real time and the ISP was the name of the company that was the authority site...soon thereafter I received the penalty...I really want to send a bunch of bullshit links at them, but it probably wouldn't work...but I should, and the links should just say "fuck you", "fuck you" and "fuck you"...
     
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    I agree with what one of the posters said. If you see one or two websites getting away with it does not mean that there is no rule set in place. They are the exception to the rule temporarily because almost 99% of websites that do not follow the Private Blog Networks (PBN) by adhering to certain criteria will not rank.
     
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    Agree. All this quality crap is ridiculous. Google can't tell the diff. between unique garbage and unique high quality content. And if someone at Google is investigating you for having a network you're already fucked, having human quality content is not going to help you.
     
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    This is exactly right... people often miss the big picture, which I think is exactly as Laubster said; by the time you get investigated, the quality of the content is neither going to make you, or break you.
     
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    I guess this should be object of a well deserved test.

    2 sites in 1 same niche, very similar keywords.

    1 site is linked with a shitty pbn and the other with a very good pbn.

    It should be a matter of time before telling what is better than the other.
     
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    danalytics Registered Member

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    For ranking purposes it's not much difference, for risk it's a huge difference and citing one lucky exception is meaningless.

    PBNs in general are not going to get algorithm penalties unless you have BIG footprints (same IP, GA-id, adsense id, etc...) or are overdoing it. All the risk is for manual penalties/review. If your PBN is better than 90% of the trash out there and passes a 15 second 'smell test', it's going to be much safer for any manual review than sites that fail even on the URL address.
     
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  10. lover

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    Google algorithm is messed up right now, even sites with spun content is ranking these days.
     
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    You say "these days", as if they didn't rank before as well ^^
     
  12. Biznik

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    If your blog network is busted, it's because you're doing something wrong.
     
  13. Gyuman82

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    Well yes and no.

    For me I generally don't like picking up the cheap-louis-handbag.com type domains as usually the metrics are off on those because of the spam, plus you don't know if that site was hit by some sort of penalty which may or may not pass on to you (maybe not now, but in the future).

    Also using spun content is PBN suicide. Just pay some guy $1.50-2 an article and preserve your investment.

    However yes WF type folk are all about building that "high quality" PBN where they spend $$$$ per domain and are too anal in my opinion.

    I think it's best to strike a balance between the two and go somewhere in the middle ground.
     
  14. DamageX

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    Yeah, if you like to spend extra money... As some have already stated above, having human-quality content on your PBN sites won't make a bit of difference, if you get a manual review. At that point you're fucked either way, great content or not.
     
  15. SteveWaller

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    In my honest opinion it is a short term Vs. long term argument and if you want to take some cash and run then poor quality domains in your PBN is fine.

    If, on the other hand, you want rankings for the long term then domains with high levels of trust and authority are the way to go.

    I'm not talking manual inspections here either; I genuinely think Google will sniff out poor quality PBNs with spun content algorithmically sooner or later.

    Plus rankings can be achieved with far fewer higher quality domains and this makes the logistics of managing them that bit easier too!
     
  16. lover

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    They did rank well before, but its much easier now and sites rank fast.
     
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    I'm ranking with pbn for high competitive keywords and all on page 1
     
  18. DaleHarries

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    I never used to think this but there is a logic to it. Google is so big now that any of their "operations" are going to be blunt and with a size 10 boot rather than a surgeons scalpel.

    I guess the best plan is to hide everything in the first place and block the competition from guessing where your network goes.
     
  19. SteveWaller

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    True - while I talked about an algorithmic penalty in my previous post, there is no doubting that your competitors also pose a huge risk to your network so being able to prevent prying eyes is definitely a good idea.
     
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    Whats a PBN? Haha