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I Think Everyone Ignores This Way Too Much! Huge Factor Rarely Ever Talked About?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by weruncompanies, Oct 4, 2012.

  1. weruncompanies

    weruncompanies Power Member

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    Want to hear your thoughts, because my case studies have been all successful.. Never had a site get penalized, etc. All of them have ranked incredibly easy regardless of competition.

    So your running GA (in my case AdS), and one way or another G is tracking your site. Now lets think, how natural is it if they see your site is getting 30 visits a day, and all of the sudden 1,000+ backlinks are built.. That just wouldn't happen in real life. What I've been doing that has been working incredibly well is visits per day = backlinks. So if I'm getting 300 visits per day, I'll build around 25% of that, so 75 backlinks per day...

    I just feel if you hitting #'s outside of your traffic count, it's unrealistic and a red flag that might hinder your growth in the SERPs.

    Discuss..
     
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    If I can verify any ration, I'll update this thread with some comments, and the relation does sound very important, just that we need to zero target in on a exact natural relationship before we start promoting this useful information.
     
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    GiorgioB Supreme Member

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    On the whole I fully agree with you, though it depends on other factors too. However, I would just add that building 25% of your traffic as backlinks is also a bit suspicious I think since its too systematic.. although it won't alert Google as easily as 1000 backlinks for a 3 month old website, better keep it random and natural. One day 50, the next 130, then 20, then 80, etc.. Google is a machine, it identifies unnatural stuff. But on the concept I think your completely right.
     
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    Tatsuya Junior Member

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    Great info, I was just wondering, how do you deal with a newly created site that has no traffic?
    Also, what is your anchor text distribution? (10% keyword, 20% URL, etc.)
    Thanks!
     
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  5. directaxcess

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    Get some traffic and then build backlinks :) you can still build minimal backlinks to start off -- because Google does expect you to build your own social bookmarks.

    @OP, yes I've tested this on three of my sites that had GA running -- and it is true but I build even less than that. Most of the time, I check the referral traffic and go build more backlinks on high PR pages of that website. It's kind of obvious though; if you're using GA and you have no traffic but a bunch of random unnatural looking backlinks, then obviously Google will flag your website. This is a nice post, I think everyone should read it!
     
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    trevorhoang Power Member

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    Great info and it sounds right to me. problem is, ever since penguin hit EMDs, i have given up hope on makin money with google. everything i learn about ranking a website with emd has gone down the drain.
     
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    What if you go viral and become an overnight meme? A burst is fine and in fact Google rewards a burst with the Google dance. So traffic is just one of many factors in how Google screws you because in the end Googliath wants us all to be Adword customers.
     
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    I operate like this, although I'm probably closer to 10%. I don't worry about daily totals though. Just weekly, but I don't use any indexing services.
     
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    Usually i do not install Google Analytics right away on my websites until i have decent ranking for some of my keywords. I will install it when i have time and want to take the link building slow.
     
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    weruncompanies Power Member

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    Yes, doing 75 every single day for example is not natural, stay within your range of 50-150, and just keep varying it. As traffic increases slightly increase the numbers to follow, some days revert back to lower numbers to not display any type of pattern.
     
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    I'll check my competition for those ranking #1-10. I'll do whatever they are doing + over optimize it just a tiny bit more. I don't really worry about anchors or %'s, etc.. I'll do as many naked urls + brand name keywords as possible, then hit the site with money keywords. A big thing is varying the anchors a ton; I like to make a ton of random ones with long tails, random things, just to mix it up so it's confusing as hell to spot a pattern. Also another big thing: I won't do keyword #1 on wikis only, or keyword #2 on doc sites only.. Instead I'll do keyword #1, #2, #4, etc on all of those platforms and so it's a nice mix on everything..
     
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    If it goes viral, clearly your traffic #'s will reflect that and Google will know.. So in return you can create a burst of backlinks and hide that manipulation in there.. But if you plan on doing that, yes there are other factors, you'll need social factors to back that up. Can't get 1,000 backlinks, 100,000 visitors and have only 10 facebook likes, lol.
     
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    As a general rule, I try not to build more backlinks to my money site than actual average visitors I have per day.

    For my lower tiers I don't have this same kind of restraint. But yes, that's a huge red flag 1,000 backlinks built and only 30 visitors? Way to be obvious.
     
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    Sorry, wrong thread, plz delete
     
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    i've always taken this into account. there shouldn't be too much of a divide between the ratio of manual links that you build to referral links. You are really gambling with your income if there is, so don't be surprised if an update smacks you down.
     
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  16. RankGeek

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    I agree with Giorgio. Whenever you follow a fixed pattern - like say 25% of a certain number, like you said, Google's engine will track you. I'm not sure you will want to do that. But nice that you brought up the point. Will be helpful to a lot of people.
     
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    Interesting Theory operator , so I guess if you throw some money in there and buy some real human traffic , you may increase your backlinks numbers/day !
    Blackhat within a blackhat
     
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    So if I understand the theory correctly - essentially if you install GA or Adsense you potentially handicap the amount of links you can build safely?

    Hmmmm.


    Remove GA/ADSense :p
     
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    I think Google can still see how much traffic you get with or without GA or Adsense...
     
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    I thought it was wiser to manual build a hand full of money site links and then back link the backlincks as fast as possible as per some of the more popular 2012 ranking strategies found here.
     
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