There is real information here in this thread, provided you choose to act on it. Doing business online is a constant battle. I look at internet marketing very much like any professional sport or competition...and you should too. Get into a niche without much competition, and you'll be fine without having to work too hard. However, if you want to market and make serious money in a niche that has competition, it all comes down to who can do it better than you...who knows more than you...who has a better technique than you. Get to the top, and there is always going to be somebody who is looking to tear you down or climb over you...and you better be prepared to fight for it. One of the best ways to get ahead and stay there...do something that nobody else can...or at least something that nobody else thinks they can. I'll give you a couple of example (real world examples). Right now, I'm spamming to one of the largest and most well known social bookmarking sites on the web. Each submission ranks high in the SERPs all on it's own. They don't remove my spam I can do that, because I am paying the company a monthly fee in exchange for the right to not have my submissions removed. To others who try to copy me, it must be very frustrating for them, because their submissions are removed very quickly. It looks like I'm some super blackhatter to them...but in reality, I simply came to a whitehat business agreement to perform a blackhat tactic. The next Scrapebox list I sell, will come with a completely free VPS from a high quality VPS provider. I can do that, not because I'm going to pay for it out of pocket, but because after contacting the right person at the company, I came to an agreement where they will give me X amount of free VPS' to hand out to my customers. I've gotten software (very, very expensive software) completely for free, by doing something as simple as offering to write up a review...an honest review regardless of the outcome. I've gotten proxies for about one fifth of cost that others are paying, by coming to an agreement with the company that sells them. I've got a couple more examples, but you should get the idea by now. The point is, I'm doing something that you should already be doing: Treating Internet Marketing as the business that it is. When you really learn to look at it that way, you'll realize there are a whole host of options you probably haven't been taking advantage of. The moment you see this as a business (a real one), you'll be able to understand that reaching out to another website (company) isn't that ridiculous. They are in business to make money. Any business that is in business will, at the very least, listen to another avenue in which they can make money or grow their business in some way. Now you don't always have to come to the table with "I'll pay you for X." You could come to the table with "I'll get you X leads in exchange for X." In fact, there are countless ways for you to present your offer, but that parts up to you to figure out. To be in business online, you need to learn sales. Not only how to sell to your customers, but how to sell period. You're offers won't always be accepted, and that's simply part of the game. Contact enough companies/people, and eventually, you'll get a foot in the door to start doing something that nobody else can (or that nobody else thinks they can ) For obvious reasons, I'm not going to tell you specifically which sites I currently have agreements with, but I'll give you an outline on how you can start to do it yourself. You simply start with the "contact us" form on their website. I always opt for that over their who-is contact info (if there is even any there to be had). Your initial contact message should be something vague and attention grabbing that makes them curious to hear more and sends your message further up the chain of command than the typical customer service message would. You can't throw out your offer in the initial message because if they don't like it, they won't reply. You need to open BOTH ends of the lines of communication in order to get anywhere, and you need to make sure you dealing with somebody who can actually make a decision on your offer (a CS rep can't). I usually opt for something along the lines of: "I've got a lucrative business offer for your website." Now, it has to be more than that...a lot more than that. Appeal to their sense of ego a bit...and their sense of greed Talk about how you've chosen their website to offer your proposal to because of how well known they are and how well their site is run. Talk about how you've got agreements with other websites already in other areas of your business, but this offer is best suited for a site like theirs. (this shows that your offers are acceptable, as your already working with others who liked your proposals enough to accept them). Talk about how beneficial your proposal is both financially and X (appeal to whatever their site does there). The ideal message will make sure the following things happen: They have to contact you back, the message has to be delivered to a "higher up" and the message is just overall enticing enough to get wet their appetite. To sum it up: You never know unless you ask & almost anybody is willing to negotiate!