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I rank on longtails but not on brandname... what's wrong?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by maildigger, May 19, 2017.

  1. maildigger

    maildigger Power Member

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    I try to rank on a brandname (with an affiliate website).

    So I have a page www.url.com/brandname/ about the brand, 1000 words.

    I rank top 10 on many longtail keywords I don't target specificly like "brandname + related keyword"

    I don't rank for "brandname" at all with my page.

    In stead I rank with a small innerpage www.url.com/brandname/model-X/ on nr 51 for "brandname".

    Above me are rediculous off-topic websites.

    What's wrong here, any ideas?
     
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    maildigger Power Member

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    I did not build backlinks to the innerpage (yet).
     
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    Thats one of the reasons but if you plan to build backlinks you have to consider the "authority" or "trustflow".

    Websites of brands have usually a lot of "trust" or "authority"which usually higher than 40% which makes it very hard to compete with them. So you would need a comparable authority as well which is very expensive (one single link with 30% of TF costs 50$ per month). So think about it.
     
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  5. BabsTheBlogger

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    You should be lucky you even rank at all...
     
  6. dbanjo

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    How old is the site and the brand page?

    It is possible, but not if your trying to rank for Sony.

    Less well known brands are doable in English. And pretty much easy in non-English.

    Anyway, building links for someone else's brand to you 'review' is gonna look unnatural.

    So, assuming you have a site with some age, and the page isn't brand new either and there is also some internal link juice flowing around...

    Make a section in your sidebar "Reviews" and add a site-wide link to the review page you want to rank with just the brand for anchor, that should do it. Wait a few months and hey presto.

    Obviously lots of moving parts here, but if your site has some age and some links/authority and the brand isn't too competitive you'll be fine.
     
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    What's the percentage of branding anchors and naked URLs u have?
     
  8. THUNDERELVI

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    Ranking for brand names is VERY hard and totally not worth it. Instead focus on your long tail keywords, they convert better and usually have higher buying intent. People looking for the brand name are going to the brand site anyway even if you rank #1 and above the brand itself. If you want to rank for a brand name, you need a lot of backlinks with brand anchor text, but trust me it's not worth it.
     
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  9. dbanjo

    dbanjo BANNED BANNED

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    It's all about competition. I have affiliate review pages out ranking brands domains themselves on some verticals/languages. And the traffic comes in like crazy and converts better than plenty other areas of my network. These pages have zero direct external links too.
     
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    Yeah ok good for you mate. Try outranking brands though in e-commerce, it's a nightmare. You have the brand site, Amazon, Ebay, etc.. against you all optimized to rank for the brand keyword, it just doesn't make sense money/time/resource wise to focus on those keywords where you could have ranked for lots of other related keywords with 1/10th of competition in less time and with a MUCH lower budget.
     
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    dbanjo BANNED BANNED

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    OK, great. I said like 17 times it's all about competition. OP also said they have an affiliate website, not eCommerce.
     
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    Amazon Affiliate websites are also considered affiliate sites, but they are technically ecommerce, because you are ranking for ecommerce keywords.
     
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    dbanjo BANNED BANNED

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    Now you're just making shit up to justify your weak argument.
     
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    My weak argument is based on ranking ecommerce high intent buying keywords for years that have the ability to make 6-7 figures per year, not shitty affiliate products that dissappear in 6 months and make you $100/day in best days . And what I said is true - any site that promotes an affiliate program is considered an affiliate site, but if you want to rank and bank with Amazon, most of your keywords will be ecommerce related. Go back to your shitty site and stop talking about something you have never done before.
     
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    Great, you know some seo. But there you go again making wild assumptions.

    OP never said anything about amazon, therefore, bringing that up as fact, is fucking pointless.

    As is waving your willy in public to win a thread, you just look like a wanker.

    I rank for casino brand names, to name a few. These brands last longer than 6 months and make considerably more than $100 bucks. So your logic is dog shit mate.
     
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