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I NEED Help Bad and I know you guys are experts at this

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by brill, Jan 24, 2009.

  1. brill

    brill Newbie

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    First off let me start by apologizing to everyone here for what I am going to ask but I know that if ANYONE can help me it is the Black hatters here..

    Please bare with me and please help you guys may get an opportunity to take down a whole new company..LOL

    So please before you think this is shameless plug for my site I'm not even going to put it on here till we agree its okay and I'm only doing this because time is of the essence and once called out this guy is gonna jump hoops to cover it if he is lying....

    Last week I joined a Network Marketing Company and I know I know, I don't want to sell nobody on this but you guys are the pros that are going to help me take this weasel dawn if he is doing what I think he is sorry this is a long read but the satisfaction you may get from this and what ever I can ever do to help I will do it to take them down if they are guilty and I am sure between the masters here we can formulate a plan (legal or Not) to fix this

    Last week I joined and from day one of advertising I was getting between 30-60 page views/24 hours ok thats cool... 1st day 6 opt ins, second day same views no opt ins, third day 9 opt ins etc on off on off...My team leader or whatever we'll call him said good and bad days and I said I think someone is high jacking my traffic


    Side note...All the affiliate pages are hosted by owners company and are not allowed to be taken to my own server ...Hmmm

    Tonight I'm on the Phone with my best friend and he says " Hey Brian I wanna check out this site you are hocking" I said go to http://www.mysite.com(I own my domain and redirect cloaked) so he gets to the opt in page and in the addy bar it shows mysite.com but it shows the program owners affiliate pages, he opts in , maybe its a mistake, Nope his page his Id number his Bio...

    So at this point I thought I redirected bad, checked nope my puter gives me my page from my IP... Asked Bill shut down Explorer delete cookies, don't change IP and log in again....Sure enough not my info... Called my GF asked her to check it out and she said nope yours comes up here...

    Called my other coworker said try it...He did....My domain owners affiliate link... called my dad next he got my stuff so it looks like every other hit the owner is taking my traffic.....

    I need to prove this please if some of you can help me prove it.. I don't want to drop my domain here I don't want a ban.. I had each of my helpers do screen captures proving that sometimes mine sometimes his...

    Please guys can you guys help me figure out if its a glitch or a thief and How do I prove...If you guys do go to my site u can opt in with garbage I am not trying anything sneaky I just feel ripped of and stolen from...

    I made a few hundred this week may have lost out on more...

    Please Advise and if there is a Mod in can you read over this and let me know if I can share my link or should we do this in private somehow...

    I'm lost but I know I'm being cheated....

    Blessings

    Bri
     
  2. cypionate

    cypionate Power Member

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    First of all... Why are the pages hosted on the affiliate companies servers? Unless you are whitelabeling a site (which it doesn't sound like you are) then your webpages should be hosted on your own site. Hell even if you are whitelableling a site you can still host your pages on your site.

    So first... Find out why you "have to" host your pages on their box. That sounds like a load of crap if you ask me.

    Secondly. Grab a free program called HTTP Analyzer... Once you install it learn how to use it a little (it's not that hard) and browse to your website. With HTTP Analyzer running you will be able to see all the packets/headers/etc. Once you see an affiliate link drop that IS NOT yours then save that HTTP Analyzer session.

    Send that on over to your affiliate manager or whoever the clowns are and tell them you need to be compensated for your losses. Try to get the money you should have earned and dump that program.

    Cyp
     
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  3. brill

    brill Newbie

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    Thanks cyp

    But Like I said I am probably not due compensation just for the Click its a Network marketing biz and I no we don't talk about them here what burns me is that my Mentor/team leader says...." Hey why would the boss steal your traffic from you, that just doesn't make sense" And I said " Ahhh so we do all his advertising for him and he just skims all his traffic from his people" That does make allot of sense to me tons of leads from your people and no work to get it... Close em ...

    My concern is that if what he is doing is stealing I want my money back and try something else...

    I only did the network marketing thing because when you get a payday they are generally big and I wanted that as one of my streams..

    Just seems funny that I asked 6 people in various areas to hit my site and every other one staggered from me to him yet still showed my domain in the address bar... I am confused.. Really Really and like you said its my site that I paid the admin fee for why cant I host it...Probably makes it harder to skim the leads that way...

    Again thanks Cyp I will try that prog and see if I can access what is going on but if anyone else wants to do some leg work and test my theory tonight I really would appreciate it....Another question is that when it gets to the opt in page initially I think its mine so they are sending me there info but the site opens to his affiliate page so if someone signs right then he gets the loot..

    This is really confusing and maybe its a glitch but it doesnt feel that way why every other unique log in goes to him...
     
  4. cypionate

    cypionate Power Member

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    Well... To be honest. You will probably never find a program and/or network out there that doesn't shave/skim. If they say they don't they are lying - they all do bro.

    When files are hosted on another server that doesn't belong to you there is all types of trickery that can be done. To be honest I find it funny that if what you say he is doing is happening... Why he is making it so blatantly obvious. If he is the owner of the program/network there is much easier ways to shave your leads.

    Anyhow... Hope it all works out for you.

    Cyp
     
  5. cheap2art

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    great method i've ever heard... i wanna thanks for this... being my inspiration of making some book of SEO...

    thanks
    ;)
     
  6. brill

    brill Newbie

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    Ok Cyp-
    this is I guess directed right to you as I believe the answer you gave me may be exactly what i need if it does what I am going to ask you...Bare with me I have been on duty for almost 3 days with little down time and now and I have a CW5 breathing down my neck to finish a project so..(wants something done on my vinyl cutter)

    My domain is parked at g0daddy and then just cloaked and redirected to the link they make me use... Can I use HTTP Analyzer on my domain page where its parked for redirect and see if they are redirecting the clicks to the wrong place....Okay my heads on fire but if all our individual affiliate pages are parked at the same place will we each have a unique I.P. for the Aff link? If I can see that they are doing a second redirect once it gets to there host it must be that they are stealing my traffic...Also wondering if I can count clicks on my parked domain that don't go actually to my aff site..

    Again many many thanks I gotta lay down for a few I have to go to duty in a few hours I'm going to try to find a free version of HTTP Analyzer and figure it out like you have directed..

    Blessings

    B~
     
  7. brill

    brill Newbie

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    Well I got some answers, albeit not the greatest by merely using a proxy and repeating entry to my site..

    With every entry through a proxy you get my capture page which sends me the info to my back office and it goes to his affiliate page and its not just me tried several other team members and it takes there capture page sends the info to their back office and drops you on the owners affiliate page.. I think its a glitch.. However if someone showed up as a hot lead and signed up on the spot he would get all the money.

    since its only a week I don't know how often it happens that way...LOL You guys all warned me to stay away from these programs, but I didn't listen.

    I have made some money but this has been a painful night of research when I coulda been makin money tonight!

    think we can close this thread and thanks guys for the Help...

    B~
     
  8. cypionate

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    Well at least you found your answer... If you are seeing the page redirected to his affiliate link then he is obviously getting the commission for the lead if a conversion occurs.

    I would tell him what is going on and ask him to make it right. When/If he makes it right, dump the program. Anyone blatantly stealing leads like that is not someone you want to work with.

    Cyp
     
  9. djedje70

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    none of ur fr#$%ing biz dude!!!
    Since you just found the answer, why don't you record all the steps showing he is redirecting YOUR traffic into HIS affiliate account? Use Camstasia or a similar software.

    If he doesn't want to pay you after that, you can tell him you'll post it online and work with a bunch of black hatters to do some crazy SEO to denounce his fraudulent activities.
     
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  10. cypionate

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    Yep... Do what dzidze said. YouTube works very well for this sort of thing. LOL! Just look when dude called out Scott Richt3r about CPA Empire ripping off dudes landing page. Dude put up the video on YouTube and within 1 day supposedly CPA Empire cut a deal with dude and the video was taken down. Be surprised how places don't want their rep tarnished over some stolen leads... Show em who's boss man! Don't let em get over on you.

    Cyp
     
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