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I need advice on how to budget my link builders time!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by judarican, Jun 17, 2009.

  1. judarican

    judarican Newbie

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    I've got a full time linkbuilder in the phillipines

    Right now I have her spending most of her time on article directories (she averages about a hundred manual submissions per day) I spun the articles myself in submityourarticle to get a bunch of variations for her to submit, but I'm wondering if there is a faster way to do it, or a better article spinner... I was considering just hiring a writer on elance next time to create variations for me.

    She also does some directory submission and social bookmarking.

    But I'm looking to hone my strategy of how to best use her time since she works 40 hours a week for me.

    Help/advice would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks!

    -J
     
  2. judarican

    judarican Newbie

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    I know at least one of you guys has a full time link builder... cmonnn...
     
  3. Jcsarokin

    Jcsarokin Power Member

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    I personally dont have a link builder, but i can say that social bookmarking is very important.

    I think onsite SEO is important too although many people disagree.

    As for link building besieds social bookmarking id say go with HIGH PR ONLY directory submissions.

    High PR is the key to link building, a bunch of worthless pr2's does nothing, but a few high pr's, and you will see a huge jump
     
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    Blog commenting and press releases just seem more effective in terms of ranking higher in SERPs in my opinion.
     
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    coolkid123 Power Member

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    I Wouldn't Get A Link Builder, Come On With All The Info Here It's Not Even Hard To D.I.Y, That Is Crazy Laziness :p
     
  6. jimbobo2779

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    In defence of the original poster I don't think it is lazy at all. If I could get a link builder for the amount some of my sites pull in a day then I would be crazy not to do it. Once the site is ranking well I would move him / her on to another of my sites.

    Outsourcing is a great way to free up time for other projects you have in the works and is one of the only ways to start making huge money in the long run.

    If I were you I would definitely get her building links from some of the higher PR social bookmarking sites as you will probably see more than 100 submissions daily after the initial couple of days setting up accounts. The great thing with social networking (mostly bookmarking) links is that they don't require articles to be written at all so they are quick and you can have your keywords all around your link.

    Basically get them / her / him / it to get to work on social bookmarking then maybe doing directory submissions after this get them to do some blog commenting. If you have a full time commenter you will get more in the region of 300 submissions a day at least, this would involve them having a good understanding of the English language. If I were doing it manually I would definitely go the blog comment and social bookmarking path but as its an outsource maybe bookmarking and directory submissions would be better.
     
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  7. Hell389

    Hell389 BANNED BANNED

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    Great Knowledge (like einstein) + Outsourcing = Million dollars checks.
     
  8. judarican

    judarican Newbie

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    Thanks Jimbo, I appreciate the support ;)

    What do you think about using one of the mass submission websites as part of my link builders strategy?

    For example, having her spend an hour a day using a site like jetsubmitter to blast out all those articles, and then manually submitting to the high PR article directories that aren't in jetsubmitter or submityourarticles lists...

    whaddya think?
     
  9. jimbobo2779

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    Yeah that could work but don't forget to get her mixing it up a bit as articles can take some time when compared to other forms of link building. I always do social bookmarking early on as its an easy way to get quick links with a bit of juice (bookmarking demon). Then I will mix my days up with commenting and directory submissions.

    You can use article submission sites to get a saving on the amount of time it takes to submit your articles to but on the whole you will still be limited to a small(ish) number of sites to link from. For example if you are submitting to 200 article directories that is only gonna be 200 domains linking to you (unless the articles get picked up by scraper sites). Where bookmarking can be done to 200 sites over night automatically then you can submit comments to an unlimited number of websites all related to your niche.

    I know Ive gone a bit off topic here but I think article submissions take a lot of time for the benefit you receive. Articles are awesome if you mix up the sites and are using them for bum marketing as opposed to SEO.

    Using article submission apps and websites is great for spreading your links out to the less well known sites which will add to the realism of your link profile so to sum up I would say that is a great idea to have your guy submit using those sites in the morning and manual submissions later on in the day to mix things up a bit.
     
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    Good info from jimbobo2779... Yes I have a link builder in the Phillipines... and they mix it up between squidoo, hubpages, (other web 2.0 sites) articles, commenting and even videos a bit... the key (or at least 1 key) is not only to have a lot of links... but a variety of links coming from all over the place.

    And while I'll admit to being a bit lazy... that's not the reason I outsource, it simply that the work gets done and especially in the case of the Fillipinos, they seem to enjoy the challenge and satisfaction of a job well done.

    They are not all perfect, but by and large they are a great group to work with.
     
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    How much does your worker charge, and where did you find her?
     
  12. gregdickson

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    Everyone one is talking about high PR social but didn't the google social slap take care of all that? Sure they still work but some on topic/niche pr 1-2 are as good if not better.

    I would divide their time between traditional link building ( articles, bookmarks, social, directories, etc) and the rest emailing and building relationships with other site owners in your niche. Offering guest posts, reviews that sort of thing.

    You are lucky to have one I've been looking for a full time VA for the past 2 months and can't seem to get on I gel with. If you feel like sharing who you are with PM me
     
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    I would include some of angela's or Pauls backlinks along with forum posts. [sig links]
     
  14. judarican

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    agents of value

    they are great, pm me if you need more info on em
     
  15. judarican

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    That's great info Jimbo,

    If you'd be so kind, I'd love to know what your ideal perfect 5 day schedule would look like for a 40 hour a week link builder:

    eg

    day 1: 4 hours jetsubmitter, 4 hours manual article directories
    day 2: 2 hours social bookmarking posted articles, 6 hours directory submissions
    etc...

    You da man!
     
  16. jimbobo2779

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    I think to give you a truly optimised time plan for your link builders would be a bit presumptuous. Not all websites need the same sort of link profile etc. I think over time you will probably see where you are getting the most benefit and therefore be able to push more tim towards that method. If it were me I would suggest something along the lines of below ( though if someone has something to add or change feel free, I am not the all knowing :) )

    * 4hours Directory Submissions - can be done all at same time as moderation can take months on some directories so there is no need to worry about too high a link velocity here
    * 6hours Social Bookmarking - I see traffic as well as backlinks from bookmark sites and it can be automated (or semi) with so many different free and paid for tools.
    * 8hours Blog Commenting - Lots of great tools for this also, I think good relevant blog comments are some of the best links you can get (after article + press releases BUT better long term time investment IMO). This time should return a huge amount of context relevant links.
    * 6hours Article Submissions - try to mix in press releases in with this as well if you can. Submit to the major sites but also the smaller ones, dont forget all links are good links.
    * 6hours Web 2.0 properties - very similar to articles and press releases though you have a bit more control over these. Use sites like hubpages and squidoo but don't forget all those free blog hosts. Your spun articles will help save time with these properties also.
    * 4hours Social Media - this is very optional. Not all projects lend themselves well to social media sites like youtube also this is more about driving traffic than SEO efforts and link building.
    * 2hours Web Profiles - lots of sites allow users to add profiles to them, including your URL. Use these sites to drop a link, not great SEO value but the more sites linking to you the better, all links are good links. Sadly these links require some effort to count, the next two parts will help with this.
    * 2hours Pinging - let the SEs (and aggregators) know that your site has been updated. Realistically you could do this yourself with some automated app running in the background on your home computer or something. Every page that links to you should be pinged at some point. Obviously dont over do this to the point of banning.
    * 2hours RSS Submissions - RSS aggregators are easy ways to get links from as they list your RSS feed which in turn links back to pages on your site (that is if you are using RSS feeds) also you can submit the feeds from article directories and other placing you are submitting to. Also ideally would be done automatically with some tool though I dont know of a good tool that you can bulk import a list of URLs to submit.

    I realise that is an almighty chunk of text but it can't help. The best link profile is one that incorporates links from many different websites with different link weight each with their own unique link profile.

    As I said before if anyone has anything to add or if someone disagrees with an allocation of time then please feel free to quote and edit it. Also you may feel not all steps are relevant for you, I would suggest try all aspects at least once :)


    Hopefully that is helpful for some of you.
     
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  17. kiangan

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    Do they bookmark 1 URL per 1 social bookmarking account? If so, I suggest changing their IP's (I bet you already know this judarican)
     
  18. jimbobo2779

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    with social bookmarking you shouldn't limit social bookmarking to 1 URL per account, that would be a bit of a watse of time, obviously if you are bookmarking pages from 1 site only do maybe 3 or so per account. However if you have a few sites and are building links to these I would leave at least 10-25 links per account before moving on.

    As for IPs it isn't too much of an issue, I have never used a proxy when bookmarking. While this can become a problem with a few sites I haven't noticed many sites blocking me from posting or signing up for accounts, most acknowledge that lots of people share IPs like in public hotspots or Uni connections and things like that.

    For most other things proxies are necessary (like blog comment SPAM, not genuine comments so much)
     
  19. judarican

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    Hey Guys-

    I think Jimbo added a really useful model of how a link builder could spend a 40 hour work week.

    What I'd like to know is if anyone has any additional suggestions and more importantly,

    what softwares she should be using?

    Ive heard great things about SEnuke, so should she be using that combined with something like Jet Submitter (for mass article submission)?

    So we've got a great schedule from Jimbo, now we gotta figure out the best softwares that will cover and speed up all the tasks that have been suggested.

    Thanks!

    -J