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i need a second IP, host is asking for technical justification.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Rushdie, Jul 3, 2011.

  1. Rushdie

    Rushdie BANNED BANNED

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    I need the IP for seo purposes. what should i tell them?
     
  2. fatboy

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    Try saying you need it for a SSL certificate or maybe to set up some nameservers.
    SSL probably your best bet
     
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    SSL is the one. You don't actually have to buy an SSL certificate, just tell your host that you're going to set up an SSL enabled site.
     
  4. BlackSEOWizard

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    Agreed, SSL is the easiest way around this. SSL requires a dedicated IP and there is no way around it. They likely are not trying to block you from getting an IP, it is more ARIN has strict rules about IP release and they need to fill out ARIN justification paperwork. Usually one ip isn't that big of a deal, it is when you are getting a lot more. Some hosts are really strict on them, but SSL will get you by everytime.
     
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    This is just recently starting to happen. And I can confirm that using SSL as your justification is an instant approval on getting the IP.

    Source is - I work in hosting industry!
     
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    Nothing recent about this, ARIN justification has been enforced for almost a decade. Different hosts are more or less strict about this.
     
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    People are getting more strict on it due to the lack of spare IPv4 addresses available.
    As soon as IPv6 comes in there will be no worries, enough IP addresses for everyone to have a truckload :)
     
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    When I asked for similar advice I was told to say I need the ips for sip signaling/media/rtp services.

    This advice was from a guy in hosting industry.
     
  9. BlackSEOWizard

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    I am dreading the day IPv6 switch happens, it is going to be a freaking nightmare. We need to do it, and I wish we did it 5 years ago, but it is a going to be a clusterfluck.
     
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    I meant it's happening with more frequency.

    For exactly the reason fatboy mentioned. Since you NEED a dedicated IP for an SSL certificate, this makes it the best reason for justification.
     
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    Yup, say SSL. If your not with a dedicated SEO host you WON'T get one just for SEO purposes.

    But you may not get a different C Class, you'll probably just be assigned a free IP from your hosts pool, which could be on the same subnet, dependent on your host.
     
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    If you wait between requests, usually they fill up fast enough you will get a new class C.
     
  13. Sinschild

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    I get about a dozen requests for new IP space daily, and I work for a transport provider. I approve or deny based on the validity of the request.

    Instant approval: SIP trunking, SSL certificate, VPN gateway, DNS Servers
    Instant denial: Additional webservers, media gateways, 1 to 1 NAT

    Everything else pretty much gets scrutinized for a business need. It's not that we really want to the additional paperworks, and would much rather hand everyone a /24 with a 10mb MetroE connection. The issue is that when we apply for more IP space, our justifications include the customer justifications. We don't meet the criteria for new address space because we were too generous? We don't get the new space we need either.

    Trust me when I tell you that the sales folks at hosting and transport companies *want* to sell you anything you want, but the engineers ride them like rented mules about the paperwork for it. We have to.
     
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