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I have $$$. And a high competitive niche.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by xsshaxor, Nov 15, 2016.

  1. xsshaxor

    xsshaxor Junior Member

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    Hi guys. I know what you're thinking:

    "Ah, another SEO noob that thinks there is a set budget to rank #1 for a competitive niche"

    You're kind of right, but not entirely.

    I know there's no such thing. But I do need some advice.

    Quick intro:
    I've been in the IM game for a couple of years. I never bothered to try
    and learn SEO, and went with other ways to get traffic. Currently I have
    a service in a highly competative niche (not fitness, smm, make money or anything like that),
    that's making me in the lower range of $XX,XXX per month.

    Now, I am NOT ranked in Google for my keywords.
    Like, I get zero traffic from G.

    Again, I use different techniques (mostly social media)
    My site is indexed, but just not ranked.

    (Please don't ask for my 'method' as I will definitely cover this
    at a later time, I can't now because it's my main source of traffic.
    It's nothing spectacular, no method, and nothing new)

    I used to do some minor SEO a few years back, but decided to fresh
    everything up again:

    The past weeks I've been reading A LOT about SEO, PBN's. I've read basically
    every well-known thread on BHW, have done a course in the basics of SEO,
    and watched hundreds of videos (literally)

    To the point:
    I have a service in a highly competative niche. I can't reveal it so let's take
    something like 'buy twitter followers' as it comes somewhat close.

    What budget would be reasonable to lay out for a project like this?

    Again, I know it depends on many factors, but let's say the current #1 ranker
    has got 30 DA & PA, and 200-500 backlinks varying from shitty blog comments
    to a few guest-articles on high authority sites.

    Is it best to purchase high PA / DA domains, build a PBN and get other
    links from guestposts at A+ sites such as Forbes?

    I won't just throw a random amount of money at it and pray I'll rank,
    I'll continue doing research and try out stuff in lower competative niches first,
    but I just want to know what kind of budget I should think of?

    $10k? $50k? Lower, higher?

    It'll help me motivate and get a basic idea of what I'm up for.

    Thanks guys!
     
  2. BlackBDO

    BlackBDO Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    A good Kw research should do wonders. Get some good and not so targeted kws, it will save you some good amount of $$ and will also bring in extra customers. IMO it's nto worth buying from the start high authority links, go with a nice and long term linkbuilding. I like a lot to use very strong PBN domains, and see the results. After soem tests you can know how much you'd need to rank the kws #1. But you never know how hard it is to outrank the first page comeptition untill you get there (on first page). But that's just my 2c
     
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  3. xsshaxor

    xsshaxor Junior Member

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    Allright! I guess I'm going to start off by slowly building good quality blogs for in the PBN, and
    then try and rank some other (less competitive) niches first, see what that does.

    Thanks :)

    Still curious to know an estimated budget though (4 figures, 6?)
     
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    Okay first we need to lay out what you're looking at price wise here and then add it up.
    GOOD, expired domains will cost you around $1000 total to build a PBN off of.
    A set of hosts, we'll say that's at around $150.
    If you're buying link packages (I highly recommend against this), you're looking at around $1500 (once you group them all together).

    That's around $3000 and that's just a base price. It's probably more like $5k and I would advise you to find a marketplace thread owner here and approach him to do dedicated SEO for you and come up with a game plan.
     
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  5. xsshaxor

    xsshaxor Junior Member

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    Hey! Thanks a lot man, that's very helpful information. I mean, if I can get the base
    for under $7K, then I'm happy. It means that after that it's just going to be getting more and more whitehat
    backlinks and getting really good and helpful articles out there. Or maybe I'm thinking of it too easy.

    Appreciate your answer!!
     
  6. Tove

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    What you should do is beat your competitor in everything. More content, target more keywords, more links.
    I see you mentioned budget of $7k, many would throw money at high end domains, but that's not worth it in your case, would you rather have 5 site PBN of high end domains or 100 site pbn of decent domains? I hope you chose the latter.

    I scrape domains myself (RD 15+, TF15+, High Quality link profile with authority links, spam free and clean anchors)
    If you can't do that, it will cost you about $15-20 per domain (average price) - $1500
    Domain registration - $1000
    Hosting - $200 per month
    Content - $1000

    There you have high quality powerful PBN of 100 sites for $3500 + $200 per month

    Other money would be invested into content. After you experience the effect of 100 pbns, if needed, build more.


    Don't buy authority links like forbes or huffpo, not worth the money. Don't buy sape or tier 2 links, not working as good as it was before.
    Basically don't buy anything except PBNs. Also you can buy 1 package of links for diversifying link profile for like $200, but that's it.
     
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  7. xsshaxor

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    Hi Tove, thanks so so much for the detailed reply!!

    This is basically all I needed, just a brief overview of some of the expected costs.
    I'm definitely going for a PBN. Not sure yet if I'll outsource it or build it myself,
    but I'll definitely keep your domains in mind as that's always useful.

    Really helpful answer, thanks a lot!

    Topic may be closed and once I get everything ready, I might
    start a journey on this.
     
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    For a 100 site PBN, I don't think that doing it yourself would be at all sane, let alone time efficient.

    A PBN of that magnitude would be a lot of work, seriously. Why not spend the money on more social avenues and other marketing streams. After all, it'd be a shame to spend $7k ranking a site if people don't convert well/ simply aren't optimised enough. I guess you could always end up selling your PBNs/ posts.
     
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    Diversify and scale. Build your PBN, but also invest in resources to increase your social exposure and automate it (mass planner? VAs?) Contact sites that list reviews / best *** service in your niche and see if you can get a promo post.
     
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    Creating just PBN is total wrong approach.Learn Diversify the services you will apply on the web site.
     
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    Thanks for all the helpful replies!

    The thing is that I'm currently making a good income from the website already.
    I have never done SEO and I'm still earning quite a lot (for me it's quite a lot).

    I'm already doing all kinds of marketing for the website, including social media.

    I'm a/b split testing the site to max conversions, I have a good mailing list,
    the website is high quality.. etc.

    As I'm getting quite a lot of visitors already daily, my main job is to
    always push conversion rates. So this is something I'm already doing.

    I don't need to invest money in that, as I'm already doing it.
    Right now for me it's important to rank #1 in Google, so that I can scale up
    the entire business.

    The website is already doing good in my opinion, all that's left is
    to get masses of traffic, and then improve even more based
    on that user data :)

    Thanks guys! Appreciate all the help.
     
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    Glad if we help you in any possible way and give you guidance where to seek knowledge about SEO on your project.