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I got out of sandbox - This is how!!!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Jason_parker700, May 28, 2010.

  1. Jason_parker700

    Jason_parker700 Regular Member

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    Last time i made a thread here saying that i got sandboxed because of creating an agressive linkwheel. But later i realized that, the linkwheel was not the cause alone. I had spammed comments pointing to the spokes as well. So what i did is, i went on to many guru sites, like JC, PB, etc and started building links for the spokes. Only posted 5 comments for each spoke, out of which about 3 show up and right now i am a happy man cos i am on page 1 for a particular keyword. Remember guys, the whole point is to make things more natural and trustworthy. Doesn't matter how bad ass a spammer you are. Most times we just build links to our money site, but the backlinks of our backlinks are important too!

    Cheerz.
     
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    m0nd0 Junior Member

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    JC and PB stands for?
     
  3. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    That could be some of the most important advice you will read today.
     
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    and also use variety of anchor text, as in many!

    I have experience sandbox too and after 2 months my ranking got back. Just want to clear its sandbox because my site is not cache anymore and its not there when I type site:mydomain.com
     
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    charlesbrunkle Registered Member

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    hmmm I don't think you can get penalized for doing a linkwheel and a few comments... but if i am wrong please tell me exactly what linkwheel you did and where you left the comments........ 'cause if that works, killing the competition just got a lot easier ;-)
     
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    Build links, build links, build links. Just keep building until you get out.
     
  7. Rajthepositivelife

    Rajthepositivelife Elite Member Premium Member

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    JC is john chow dot com

    Pb is pro blogger dot net :cowboy:

    Both these sites are run by bloggers who earn 5 figure income in $$$ every month. These blogs tell about how to be a better blogger and how to make more money online.

    These also have high PR ranks
     
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    He already said where he did some of the comments. He's talking about a small scale relevant campaign he did to offset the comment spamming he had already done. If he gave all of the exact sites then soon everyone would be spamming them and they'd be less effective.

    As far as the linkwheel, same thing; if he told you exactly what to do it would be overdone and become less effective once again. It really doesn't matter what the exact structure is, just as long as the interlinking can create some pr flowing to the hub, and still maintain some appearance of randomness.

    The best way to set up a linkwheel yourself right now is probably to follow the method in basstrackerboat's ebook.

    If you follow the right advice a lot of this stuff can be easy, but that doesn't mean it still doesn't take a little work. If you pay attention to the methods then yes, "killing the competition just got a lot easier", if you try to copy someone else exactly step by step then "killing the method" just happens faster.

    You still need to do some of the work yourself. The OP just fed some good information here, there's no reason for him to spoon feed it too.

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    @charlesbrunkle - what the OP thinks he got spanked for is doing a linkwheel and a lot of comment spamming. It's been apparent for awhile that if you do a linkwheel that appears too artificial, it can have a negative effect. I don't know its worth trying to do one for your competition to cause him problems though. Yes, the wrong structure can have negative effects, but it's a gamble. You would also risk creating a stronger position for the competition. As far as the comments, what caused the OP problems was a lot of comment spamming not just a few links. He used just a few links to correct the problem. Same thing applies about trying to create a negative backlinking campaign for your competition, if you started blasting out a lot of comment backlinks, maybe they'll be seen as spam and cause problems, but again its a gamble. By trying what you are implying you very well could put your competition so far in front of you that you lose ground yourself. It's better to just try doing your own positive SEO for your own site.
     
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  9. BassTrackerBoats

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    There were several modifications made to that ebook before I made it a public give away from a couple of BHW members.

    One of those members is GreyWolf and he deserves kudos for his contributions.
     
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  10. Jason_parker700

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    In the past i have overtaken sites with atleast 50 more links than me. All coming from comment spamming, article sites etc. But after i started using linkwheels, i didn't even require 50 links. Just 20 was enough. But right now i am damn excited about basstrackboats's method cos it's not what everyone is doing, plus it's more advanced.
     
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    Well, I've managed to get out from sandbox too and what I did was just editing the articles and make them absolutely unique. And little more trick is simply insert a link that point to google. And then ping it with pingler. That's work for me.
     
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    @MAD: What is the difference between COMMENT and CONTENT backlinks?

    How can google detect that?
     
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    Yeah, thats what I thought for comment links but what about content?

    Do you mean content links came from normal website, no blogs or forums?
     
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    @M.A.D. - great reply.
    That pretty much supports what I've been discussing lately, it isn't just about making a lot of backlinks. That's definately important, but the structure, quantity, and rate of increase all need to be done in a manner consistent with what could be expected by natural growth.

    Natural popularity isn't going to result in an instant increase from 0 to 100,000 backlinks. There's going to be a progression, smaller number of backlinks at the start and larger numbers created as the site gains in popularity. You can't just go straight from the start to the end result. The growth progression has to seem natural or the resulting backlinks make no sense. It's not that hard to monitor for that type of growth patterns.
     
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    In my opinion, trending niches are working well when creating thousands of backlinks in a short period of time.

    Let's take for example when a big sport event is coming up. Everyone will start talking and linking about this event 1-2 months before the actual events. Google will realise that websites related to this event will naturally get more links than usual. Without doubt, They are not gonna sandbox every websites talking about this.

    I really think it depends on the niche.

    @MAD: Do you think Google keep track of the hot trending keywords and take this into consideration when checking the backlinks profile of websites?
     
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    Another MAD quote. I myself have talked about link diversity to avoid the sandbox and ups and downs etc as well, but I never thought of putting it into a content to comment ratio perspective, which you so sysyncly did.

    Gold star to MAD.
     
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    Exellent explained, that's how I create my wheels, (considering the time, content and order factor for link creation in and to the wheel too).

     
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    jc ? pb ?
     
  19. Ramsweb

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    This is a pretty good thread with heaps of information. I am not sandboxed but am trying to move up in the SERP's a lot.

    What do you think of the following diversity in terms of my linking. I have been doing the following for the past three to four days. My site has actually dropped a little bit since I began this but I am sure it will move well.

    1. 14 Ezine articles linking to money site every day
    2. About 10 Yahoo answers with links to my money site every day
    3. 1-2k Scrapebox comments to my backlinks everyday
    4. About 20 posts in a related niche forum with my site as a signature.
     
  20. BassTrackerBoats

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    @ Ramsweb - you have to link to the ezine articles, yahoo answers, etc when you do that.
     
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