I got new SEO offer and I kinda like it should use it on my idle old domains or buy new ones?

Hi everyone, I have this habit for years buying couple domains write some articles on them and leave them like they are for a year or so,
Today while I send couple request to SEO provider and two of them give me kind good offer, but I'm kinda confusing what website should I buy BL for firs?
My two websites on the same niche are indexed very badly, and I got zero traffic from them.
So I though if I just buy new domains and do fresh start since the old domains could be penalized or had very bad spam score etc..

you look like scamming material (just like I used to be several years ago when I jumped from one scam to another)

You need to learn how to crawl before you walk, and to walk before you run. That is, first learn how to index your sites (that's not always up to you unfortunately), then learn how to rank a website without any backlinks, and then learn how to rank a website using backlinks. All of these while educating yourself about backlinking because I do have a gut feeling that you don't even know which backlinks to get, which pages to point them to, with what anchor texts, how often to build links, and so on... And all of these steps are extremely important to get right for new sites that have no backlinks yet.

Another thing... how do you know that your websites have "bad spam score"? Spam score is a metric invented by MOZ, and it's irrelevant in SEO. I mean, if you do have a high spam score and do nothing to lower it then it could definitely be bad for your site. But you said that your sites are new and I assume that they have no backlinks yet, and if they have no backlinks they can't have a bad spam score because spam score is given by shitty backlinks. So, how do you know that your sites have a bad spam score??

The third thing... you could build sites all day long, for all eternity, and you wouldn't see any traffic or make any money with any of them until you proactively took steps to... first index them, secondly rank them, and thirdly monetize them. I know this because I've been just like you... for 6 years straight. I used to build amazingly stunning websites, put 5-6 articles on them, and then do nothing because I trusted google would flood my sites with traffic because of how pretty they are. Even today I still do this dumb shit, I can't stop building pretty sites on great looking domain names and doing nothing with them because I dread doing the hard work. Don't be like me! If you're serious about making money, just build 1 or 2 sites (until you learn how to make them profitable, after that you can scale up) but spend your time ranking and monetizing them. It will be hard work, yes (or you can outsource it to real pros if you have the money), but it's what brings the money in. Building pretty, shiny websites does no one no good, you can take my word for it

Anyway, I apologize for the long dissertation (and possibly unwanted advice), but this was needed to save you from yourself because I do feel that you're exactly like I used to be, and that's not good. It might lead you to years of your life wasted for nothing.

So, my recommendation is that you politely decline your SEO provider's offers of backlinking until you learn how to...

1) first, pick a niche that you can rank in (not easy to do, but crucial to your future SEO efforts)
2) secondly, find some keywords that you can rank for (preferably without backlinks, but if that's not possible at least find keywords that are profitable and have high volume to justify the effort and time you'll put into ranking for those keywords)
3) create content that ranks (after the latest google update that had rolled out last week the content should be highly unique, AI or humanly written it doesn't matter too much, it just need to be unique and of decent quality)
4) index all of that rankable content

5) (optional, and only if needed) start building links after giving the INDEXED content 1-2 months of time to stabilize in the SERPs. If after 2 months after the content had been indexed it's not even in top 100 you'll know that you've either picked a tough niche, or picked tough keywords, and at that point backlinks might be your only option... have your websites been built and set up properly beforehand, that is...

To learn how to do niche and keywords research properly have a look at these guides that have posted by some of our members:
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/how-to-do-keyword-research-for-free.1380646/https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/guide-how-to-find-easy-to-rank-low-competition-keywords.1407283/https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/niche-hunting-the-definitive-guide.1390428/https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/method-find-super-low-competition-keywords.1388137/https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/m...ord-research-guides-methods-from-bhw.1381923/
To learn how to optimize your content for google (paramount to do, otherwise you'll never rank for your desired keywords), read this guide by @splishsplash :
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/guide-full-example-of-how-to-do-on-page-seo.1251425/
I've not reviewed the guide lately, and some things might have change after the last several crazy months in which google have released so many updates, but the guide should still hold true overall, so make sure you read it!

I'm not linking you with any guides on backlinking as I've not bookmarked any of them yet, and I don't have the time to look them up at the moment. Just use the search button to find them, I'm sure there are plenty of topics on the biggest SEO forum on the planet that cover backlinking. Or search my profile for my postings, I do remember to have made a few replies this year alone that addressed backlining

tazarbm said:

first learn how to index your sites (that's not always up to you unfortunately), then learn how to rank a website without any backlinks, and then learn how to rank a website using backlinks.
So, my recommendation is that you politely decline your SEO provider's offers of backlinking until you learn how to...
1) first, pick a niche that you can rank in (not easy to do, but crucial to your future SEO efforts)
2) secondly, find some keywords that you can rank for (preferably without backlinks, but if that's not possible at least find keywords that are profitable and have high volume to justify the effort and time you'll put into ranking for those keywords)
4) index all of that rankable content
5) (optional, and only if needed) start building links after giving the INDEXED content 1-2 months of time to stabilize in the SERPs. If after 2 months after the content had been indexed it's not even in top 100 you'll know that you've either picked a tough niche, or picked tough keywords, and at that point backlinks might be your only option.
To learn how to do niche and keywords research properly have a look at these guides that have posted by some of our members:
To learn how to optimize your content for google

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I really appreciate your effort on this reply, I really think you're trying to help here, first I'll mention the point I think I either missed, or it should be helping.

If you're serious about making money, just build 1 or 2 sites (until you learn how to make them profitable, after that you can scale up) but spend your time ranking and monetizing them. It will be hard work, yes (or you can outsource it to real pros if you have the money),

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Firstly I have being in this field over 10 years now I come cross all experience now these are not the first or last website I build, things are quite complicated regarding SEO

Another thing... how do you know that your websites have "bad spam score"? Spam score is a metric invented by MOZ, and it's irrelevant in SEO. I mean, if you do have a high spam score and do nothing to lower it then it could definitely be bad for your site. But you said that your sites are new and I assume that they have no backlinks yet, and if they have no backlinks they can't have a bad spam score because spam score is given by shitty backlinks. So, how do you know that your sites have a bad spam score??

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Even I 100% agree on this subject, but there is something you and other SEO Experts missing G tolerate High Authority websites which means they do not apply Spam score algorithm on them, and from my own perspective MOZ and other shty SEO companies are the scammers here with their crappy tools , I forget about them for years, and had done very well in the past., I only use Ahrefs to count competitors BL and KW's

All of these while educating yourself about backlinking because I do have a gut feeling that you don't even know which backlinks to get, which pages to point them to, with what anchor texts, how often to build links, and so on... And all of these steps are extremely important to get right for new sites that have no backlinks yet.

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You know, the only lesson I learned all these years of G updates that G don't count Links (what they called) low quality websites and these websites (maybe called) spammy websites even if they are legitimate websites, e.g some guy publishing his hobbies on his own blog, on a niche the no single SEO guy will give sht about it, but he still didn't get ranked even for his own blog name .

The third thing... you could build sites all day long, until you proactively took steps to... first index them, secondly rank them, and thirdly monetize them. I know this because I've been just like you... for 6 years straight. I used to build amazingly stunning websites, put 5-6 articles on them, and then do nothing because I trusted google would flood my sites with traffic because of how pretty they are.

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In this subject you are absolutely right, just one thing need to mention which is (High quality traffic) , and bigger indexed pages/contents

3) create content that ranks (after the latest google update that had rolled out last week the content should be highly unique, AI or humanly written it doesn't matter too much, it just need to be unique and of decent quality)

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No G until today didn't give sht about contents quality at all, or at least they have done zero effort to filter websites contents using AI or what's so ever, as I mentioned above G uses it Chrome/Android users data to analysis websites they are visiting,
e.g if they stay little or never scroll down (to read that quality contents ) G will consider that down vote (yes they are really doing that).
I kinda talked about this here
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/seo-tips-2022-2023.1440898/
Anyway after reading your reply I guess it's kinda bad idea to get links for newly build websites it should be indexed firs and see how things goes with G algorithm (either accepting it or rejecting it)
Last I want to point out that G still use BL as ranking factors, and the reason why is quite simple, G do not trust new website at all, (yep the trust factor is becomes first for G) I'm not talking about MOZ etc, trust factor I mean how G trust that website aren't illegal, yes that is the biggest nightmare G had with.
Second and the most important G were doing their best to kick out SEO agencies out of business, their last 7 years or so update were solely targeting them, e.g. they learn their tactics and made counter measurement to get people use G Ads for their business instead
Last for this experience I already did take BL for another idle old domains, and it works boosted it ranking on some KW's that G droop it ranking months ago, and I start getting traffic for it

mainceaft said:

Last I want to point out that G still use BL as ranking factors, and the reason why is quite simple, G do not trust new website at all, (yep the trust factor is becomes first for G) I'm not talking about MOZ etc, trust factor I mean how G trust that website aren't illegal, yes that is the biggest nightmare G had with.

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I don't think they don't trust new sites, I think they don't like competition because, let's be real, the SEO competition has become fierce in most niches, and definitely in all profitable niches. Back in 2008 when I started with SEO I would rank MFA sites with 20 PLR articles (UNSPUN, that is, so 100% plagiarized, the type that PLR content usually is) by simply submitting those very same PLR articles to EZA, ArticlesBase, SelfGrowth and GoArticles and I'd rank within a month and have residual passive income for a few years before everyone and their dog figured out easy making money was and started doing the same. And so google started penalizing links from article directories, and then it went downhill and harder for SEOs from that moment forward.

So, I think that it's not that G doesn't trust new sites for illegal reasons (it'd really be dumb to do so), but they simply don't like the competition we create for the big brands that G loves to bareback with. That's how I see it and until I am proven wrong I'll keep my opinion and my undying hate towards G

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Anyway after reading your reply I guess it's kinda bad idea to get links for newly build websites it should be indexed firs and see how things goes with G algorithm (either accepting it or rejecting it)

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it's not a bad idea. If you know what you're doing getting links for your 1 week site may yield good results. I just wanted to prevent you from buying links because I assumed that you're a newbie and have no clue how SEO works, and unless you know which backlinks are good, how fast to build them and with what anchor texts you will have most likely screwed your site over like many of us do in the beginning. But if you've been in this game for 10 years you're good to do whatever, I guess

But yeah, I think it's a smart idea to wait for the content you're going to link to, to be indexed first. I don't know why I feel this way, I don't even know whether or not I'm right about this so I can't prove it either way, it's just one of those common sense rules that I like applying in SEO.

mainceaft said:

Second and the most important G were doing their best to kick out SEO agencies out of business, their last 7 years or so update were solely targeting them, e.g. they learn their tactics and made counter measurement to get people use G Ads for their business instead

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I know that they've killed a lot of powerful ranking networks (BMR and ALN come to mind here), because it's pretty well known that G hates link builders because the link builders game their algo (that's why they had to stop making the PR public although I've heard someone that, internally, they still use PR as the main ranking factor), but I didn't know they went after SEO agencies, although I could see G having this as top priority. What countermeasures do you know about / are thinking of when you say that the last 7 years worth of updates have been filled with countermeasures to kill the SEO agencies off? AFAIK SEO agencies have link building as their bread and butter, and as long as G considers backlinks as one of the top 3 ranking factors (which I believe they do), I don't see how G can shed the SEO agencies off their backs. Care to name a few such countermeasures, for my own curiosity?

But yeah, I agree that they're trying to push people into buying ads, that's their main source of income, so I see no reason why they wouldn't do it. Someone said a while ago here on the forum that Google are an advertising company with a search engine as a side product, and I liked this quote a lot. It suits G perfectly

To your other points I'm not going to comment because there's no point anymore if you're so experienced (no sarcasm intended). Good luck with your rankings

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What countermeasures do you know about / are thinking of when you say that the last 7 years worth of updates have been filled with countermeasures to kill the SEO agencies off?

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On my region, G were hunting SAP like websites who's selling BL , I cought some of G employees disguise as white hat SEO expert given ppl advices in a forum I frequencies visit, this may look bad, but I have a lot of methods to get someone real data e.g setting up trap from them to tell me their intentions, the least thing to say they are so obsessed about G rules and Matt cuts BS, as BH guy I didn't give sht about what they are saying, but they really do hunt these agencies even individual sites who's selling their links,
Seconds source they use is competitors Negative SEO, they really read these contents quality reports which happened to me years ago:-
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/my-site-removed-from-google-completely-after-haters-report.651241/