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I got banned from Hydra and i'm scared...

Discussion in 'CPA' started by mattjay, Jun 23, 2009.

  1. mattjay

    mattjay Junior Member

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    I just got the email from my account manager at Hydra about 30 minutes ago and i have to admit i'm a little scared. I use a simple black hat method that up till now i have had no trouble with. The email was rather harsh and included "we have discovered that you have produced a large volume of leads with duplicate IP addresses" and "if you have some explanation to this you can feel free to reply, however based on the data we have, and our experience, this can only be explained as pure fraud". Here's my question. Can they or will they come after me for the more than $10k that i've earned off them? should i be worried about them taking legal action against me for fraud? please somebody put my mind at rest. My friend has been banned from a few networks and has never told me he was being sued or anything; that and i figure they were paid for my leads that i produced as well, so i can't see them sueing me for something that they were allready paid themselves for. Somebody tell me their experience please. thanks. mattjay
     
  2. Belexandor

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    1. Were they fraudulent leads?

    2. You actually pocketed 10K or is that money pending?
     
  3. bobbylove321

    bobbylove321 BANNED BANNED

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    Or you can say the $10k was done legit, except for these new methods some of your outsourcers got careless and didn't do what you told them right, and so you are very sorry.
     
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  4. blackhatjamie

    blackhatjamie BANNED BANNED

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    I would just say the $10k was all legit. Its archived already and the network has already got paid from the advertisers for those leads you have generated. So it is not like the network lost any money from it. I would not worry to bad about it. They suspend people all day long to just worry about 1.
     
  5. Grandslam

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    Do you know for a fact that the leads actually came from duplicate ips? AKA did you know this was going on? Or does their claim have no basis?

    Because if you did know that they were, I'm not sure what you were thinking.

    Also, Did they already send you the check for the $10k? Or is it just in your account?
     
  6. mattjay

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    the method that i use is black hat for sure and i'm learning now just how stupid it is. i got the idea from a fellow cpa-er who does it all day long. yes they have paid me 10k allready. i read another post that said the only consequences to being banned is you won't be paid any pending commissions so that put my mind at rest a little. The leads were incentivized which is against all the networks TOS unless they allow for incentives, which i can say all of the leads i got did not allow for incentives.
    matt jay
     
  7. flow

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    I imagine the only way they'll come after you is if the offer company knows and wants their $$ back. Otherwise they have no incentive to pursue you because the network hasn't/isn't losing $. I don't know how CPA networks are organized so maybe someone can tell us.

    I don't think it's out of the question that the offer company knows and wants their money back.

    Then again, whether they pursue in court or not depends on the amount of $ involved-- do you know how much cash they could prove was achieved by fraud?
     
  8. g3ksan

    g3ksan Newbie

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    Throwing it out there, but next time you pull something like this, spread it accross multiple advertisers and buy up multiple domains and host your landing pages on different hosts so the IPs don't look so suspicious.
     
  9. hotboy2111

    hotboy2111 Regular Member

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    Wow...I think you should just wait for them to send you something else...If they do then deal with it....If they dont then forget about it.
     
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    Sorry for asking the obvious...but...um. Well..what did you do? Context would greatly help.
     
  11. herron

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    Wait for them to chase you but you can always say you did offline marketing at a University campus - hence the duplicate IPs :eek:
     
  12. seikooc

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    The question still remains: why the duplicate IP's?? Were these fraudulent transactions? Or how did u generate these leads from a few IP's...

    They did not mention anything about you using incentives so to assume that is crazy. you gotta know why the duplicates....
     
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    wait are you saying they did pay you before they investigate that your leads is fraud??

    if thats the case thats wrong on their part.. but you cant complain for sure they will sue you if its over $10k..

    there are 3 option

    1) you need to hide

    2) or give the money back..

    3) or talk to them and make something work

    they are good company bro
     
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    why would u fill out offers from the same few IPs? especially $10k worth? if they paid you the cash AND they can prove this accusation for the $10k of leads, well... then try working something out. that is fraud and no need to take a risk if they pursue it.
     
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  15. chuckz

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    I some flak from COPEAC a few months back for using incentives for leads to one of their "adult" offers, but the earnings were not quite as high, only around $5500... Anyway, they also described the leads as "fraud", but never actually went anywhere with it. They sent me two e-mails total, the first complaining that they found a bunch of suspicious leads, then the second one explaining that they'd found out I was using incentives to get leads, and that I was officially banned from their network:(

    Based on personal history, I seriously doubt you have anything to worry about, but at the same time, $10k isn't exactly an amount they're likely to ignore. I was pretty shaken when they first e-mailed me, but that's mainly because I had over $3k in leads left waiting to be paid...they didn't actually do anything.
     
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    link2swim06 Registered Member

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    Can you explain what your incentive method, I am doing something similar and do not want to have all the cards fall down on me.
     
  17. iglow

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    Exactly hard t oanswer with 0 informations just 1 duplicate ip.. Also fraud is not really blackhat ;)
     
  18. liquidrage

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    I agree. This is BHW come clean (well don't do that but at least tell us how you got caught) Let us learn from your mistake. This way when you get arrested for fraud and are spending your nights with a big bald guy named Bubba....You can take comfort in knowing that you helped the rest of us avoid the same fate. LMAO
     
  19. flow

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    How about the fact that he doesn't want to expose a method perhaps taught to him by a friend who doesn't want it in the open?

    Ya'll need to chill out.

    Anyway... regarding the term blackhat, in any other context you will see that blackhat refers to BAD things. Most people like to fancy blackhat marketing as something more gray rather than something like pure fake leads.
     
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  20. justone

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    You can also say you spammed **********s /b/ board and they must have done this.
    Give him apologies, ask for new link names and if you can continue to advertise the product
    maybe it works ;)