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I' Getting Paid 3x Per Lead! Can I Do This??

Discussion in 'CPA' started by jean-jacques, Jul 16, 2009.

  1. jean-jacques

    jean-jacques Newbie

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    instead of driving traffic via my site to a affiliate network, i'm collecting the same lead information myself and manually entering it via my affiliate link into multiple networks to get paid not once but several times for the same lead!

    The leads are real, just I'm just "reselling them" 2-3 times. so, conversion rates of the merchant should be reasonable, not awful.

    I'm covering my tracks at the network with HideMyIP and CookieCrumbles, deleting the site cookie from the network site and merchant site every time i make a lead entry and i switch up the IP every time i make a new lead entry.

    so far so good - is this enough to cover me tracks and not get banned??

    Thanks!
     
  2. keinehabe

    keinehabe Supreme Member

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    do you think they are idiots and will not figure what you are doing :)? it's similar with frauds :) nothing different .
     
  3. jean-jacques

    jean-jacques Newbie

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    they won't - how? i just sell the lead 2 times or so... the merchant contacts the person, and he is like, yeah sure, i inquired about this thing... maybe the person gets another call....not the end of the world - this happens all the time in insurance leads online for example already...........
     
  4. afallison

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    because you are the one inputting all the information. you are simply collecting their info and inputting it yourself. i don't care if you are using hidemyip and/or cookiecrumbles. You will be caught - no doubt. You will be lucky to get a dime.

    if you have leads inputting information, let them do it to one offer. take what you can get. just increase your traffic for more money.
     
  5. jean-jacques

    jean-jacques Newbie

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    guys, i'm comfy with the risk - my question is about covering my tracks - any comments on my question rather than the tactic? :)
     
  6. Alex Brooks

    Alex Brooks BANNED BANNED

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    i really doubt you can, fyi it's fraud what your doing, which is like uber-illegal.
     
  7. jean-jacques

    jean-jacques Newbie

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    guys, i am not looking for legal advice or probability of getting caught.

    i want to know if hidemyip and cookiecrumbles will cover my tracks.

    thanks
     
  8. NemoTheOne

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    You keep asking the same question because you're not happy with the answers you're getting. The answer is NO. They will figure it out.
     
  9. Mollowbass

    Mollowbass Regular Member

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    Nop, hidemyip is a good one, I can't see why you are using cookiecrumbles will cover your tracks. Simple go to extra, internet-options, delete cookies?!?
     
  10. lilman

    lilman BANNED BANNED

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    Yea , i doubt you covered enough of your tracks to even consider trying this .Networks are getting smarter and smarter . I would look into the user agent and the web site refers . although i don't think you can pull it off .
     
  11. jean-jacques

    jean-jacques Newbie

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    could someone with serious ip/proxy experience respond to the post? i'd appreciate it. telling me networks are smart in general is not helpful. thanks.
     
  12. Italian Hawk

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    The problem is not whether they find out how you do it. If a lead is being reported twice (or more than twice) the companies are going to go collect for the lead so that they can pay you and they will find out they aren't getting paid. Whichever company goes to claim the lead first will likely be the one paid for it.

    A company isn't going to pay 2 companies for the same lead. Your accounts will all be banned. Again, it is irrelevant if they can't find out how you do it, if you are creating leads that they don't get paid for then they won't pay it out when it comes time to pay you or they'll simply ban you.
     
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    Dont do it !!! thats illegal and fraud!
     
  14. Paper-Boy

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    i dont get it.. if a reputable member talks about this kind of thing, most of the members are cool with it. if some noob posts something like this, everyone's like, omgshhh! FAIL! FRAUD!

    /end rant.
     
  15. Thrax

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    If you're using different I.Ps for each and every sign-up, and the sign-ups are going into different networks, then that's a start. Anything less and it's an almost certain ban at some stage. You'd also need to keep ctr down and if you've got the moola/skillset, sending Whitehat traffic as well would be a good idea.
     
  16. gbmack

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    Yes this will work as long as you mix in legitimate traffic.

    The people saying "it's fraud it's illegal, you're gonna get caught" have no idea what they are talking about.

    BHW is all about illegal activity. Go look up the definition of fraud - deceiving someone for profit. That's pretty much what e-whoring is. You deceive someone, and you profit off of that. That's fraud. Fraud is illegal.

    Have you ever done iframed e-mail submits? Same thing. You gotta mix in some real traffic with the shit traffic.
    It also depends on the advertiser and offer. If the advertiser contacts your leads and 100% of them have no idea they were signed up; expect the banhammer. If you mix in some legit traffic, then you can avoid it.

    The only problem with your method is that it's going to be time consuming filling in the offers yourself.

    Also, I would avoid doing this if it were for free trial offers(requiring credit card). Several complaints saying they never signed up for a free trial offer can be lethal..


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    If you're getting payed $30+ per lead then yes you will get banned. 5 or more shit leads your offer will be pulled and you will lose that money.
    Everything I said above is related to offers with low payouts, like e-mail submits.
     
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  17. forgetyou

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    I dont understand whats the big deal, the OP is a big boy and if he gets his ass banned then it's he's prob.
    However, this is definetly possible to do if you know what you're doing and you are organized.
    leads are being sold again and again and again to whoever pays more. people don't know if it's google cash or googlepayday LOL.
    Myself, I wouldn't do it but I would love to hear from OP how it goes after couple of weeks. do a case study then write an ebook and sell it on DP.
     
  18. betster77

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    in my experience, if they are solid leads (no bs iframes), it's best to take the bigshot approach in these cases. Put it on your terms (where you collect the data, that you may share info with a limited amount of "partners" blah blah blah). Then get on the horn with people who would be interested and say "Yeah, I got leads. you interested in buying?" no fraud, no games. I've seen this done in practice. If you're willing to do the effort in finding the buyers, this works and you don't have to tippy toe with resubmitting.

    EDIT: Maybe that was too WH but If you just wanna go BH then do your best to hide the source(IP,Headers), but sooner than later they will find out by contacting a customer, and they will have an excuse not to pay you.
     
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  19. w84it

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    Will you be taking the visitors CC details and use it for the 2-3 signups you do yourself or are these free signups?
     
  20. Jared255

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    Complete truth from afallison.

    No, nothing will hide your tracks, you know why? You are commiting fraud and eventually someone is going to find out.

    Nice rant...? A reputable member would never post this because a reputable member will have better ways of making money then filling in their own leads.