1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

I Can't Pick Which vBulletin Host / Dedi / VPS Setup... So Confused!

Discussion in 'Web Hosting' started by dog-tag, Dec 23, 2011.

  1. dog-tag

    dog-tag Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    811
    Likes Received:
    912
    Occupation:
    Full-Time Internet Marketer + Business Consultant
    Location:
    Thailand
    Hey everyone,

    I've been spending the last few days, trying to pick the right host and the right package for the job.

    I have an adult site, which I want to integrate a forum into now.

    The site has about 250,000 page views a month.
    Has between 10-100 people on it at any one time.
    The database is only 1gb now, but with vbulletin that will grow.

    It is currently on a host that I pay $50 a year, slow as hell, but hey it's still going strong.

    I've just gotten myself so confused with all the different hosts and packages.

    I currently have 3 VPS, and 2 shared web hosting accs (one back up account).

    You'd think by now I'd know what I'm at, but it's confusing trying to judge which VPS/Dedi I need here.

    I'm basically trying to not over spend, and to not under spend, I'd just like an ideal setup, I really like the idea of "cloud hosting" but I don't know if that would apply to me.

    I really need a host who will be flexible, whether I need to increase or decrease my setup, and not punish me for using too many resources (cause I haven't a breeze really what resources will be used), I would rather they just mailed me, "hey we need to move you up the ladder".

    I'll shut up now and thanks in advance for any replies :)
    Gilesy
     
  2. dog-tag

    dog-tag Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    811
    Likes Received:
    912
    Occupation:
    Full-Time Internet Marketer + Business Consultant
    Location:
    Thailand
    bump... it is xmas after all :p
     
  3. extremephp

    extremephp BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    1,293
    Likes Received:
    1,272
    A Cheap dedi will solve the problem. 2GB Ram, Req Space and B/W. And with Dedi's they wont suspend you for using more resources, because you cant really use more resources than you have :D
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  4. LongBanana

    LongBanana Regular Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2009
    Messages:
    411
    Likes Received:
    247
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    You could do with a mid-value linux VPS. Be sure to get offshore for adult. There are times when US hosts don't like that stuff. I'm pretty sure most don't.
    Although, a low-end dedi may do the trick as extremephp stated.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  5. dog-tag

    dog-tag Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    811
    Likes Received:
    912
    Occupation:
    Full-Time Internet Marketer + Business Consultant
    Location:
    Thailand
    I think a low end dedi would make sense! Nice to know they can't cut you off too.

    Any recommendations on a seller? I'm not the most tech minded fella on this forum,
    so I'd really like to have cpanel also, cause I understand it well by now.

    It's a real headache trying to judge this. Thanks given to both you guys for your input :)
     
  6. Hostwinds

    Hostwinds Power Member UnGagged Attendee Enterprise Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2010
    Messages:
    766
    Likes Received:
    544
    Occupation:
    C.E.O.
    Location:
    Oklahoma
    Home Page:
    I think most onshore providers dont have problems with legal adult content
     
  7. dog-tag

    dog-tag Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    811
    Likes Received:
    912
    Occupation:
    Full-Time Internet Marketer + Business Consultant
    Location:
    Thailand
    Your 100% right... I was asking TMDhosting the other day and they had no problem.

    I also asked hostgator and someone else, and they all said -
    "As long as it doesn't break any US laws regarding adult content, then it's fine by us"

    The thing I didn't like about them though is they were trying to sell me a dedi for $268 a month.. pretty damn steep for a new setup.

    My site is 99% soft content, but will have alot of tube sites featured on it, so there shouldn't be any problems with it.

    Finally decided to go with vbulletin (I kept changing my mind) and I'm going to get a low end dedi (or bloody good VPS) with cpanel, just hawking for a good provider now.

    There's actually really limited information about this online for new forum owners, so hope this thread helps anyone trying to figure it out also.
     
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2011
  8. Zapdos

    Zapdos Power Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2011
    Messages:
    597
    Likes Received:
    708
    Location:
    Eastern North Carolina
    dog-tag, I've sent you a pm. Could help you, just need to know some details you may not want to make public.
     
  9. dog-tag

    dog-tag Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    811
    Likes Received:
    912
    Occupation:
    Full-Time Internet Marketer + Business Consultant
    Location:
    Thailand
    Sure... I read your mail there, but to be honest I don't want to deal with anyone through PM's. I just got scammed for $400 on xmas eve, got rode for $350 a few months ago too.. and I've generally only ever had bad experiences with people on BHW who don't have a BST... won't do business like that ever again.

    You didn't offer me any services personally, but if I'm not told "the site" publicly on here, then I don't want to know. I'm sorry I've gotten so paranoid, but I've just had a really bad time lately.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  10. Zapdos

    Zapdos Power Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2011
    Messages:
    597
    Likes Received:
    708
    Location:
    Eastern North Carolina
    The only services I ever offer is web design/development and seo. I don't have loyalties to any hosting company or run my own. Many people on here would suggest hostwinds, and pretty much only because they (hostwinds) have a presence on this forum.

    For your needs, its impossible to gauge what you need with what you provided. The amount of requests/second aren't given, what scripts you're using, their settings, if your using cache or no, what webserver etc etc. Nearly all the advice you get will just be almost blind guessing. With 10-100 on at anytime, the best blind guess would be a higher end VPS with 768->1024mb of ram.

    With that being said, some options for hosting providers:
    handsonwebhosting - VPS - $65/month which includes management. Hardcore not allowed, only on dedicated. 1 gig of ram.
    handsonwebhosting - Dedicated - $149/month which does not include management but can at an additional cost. 4 gigs of ram.
    ovh.co.uk - Dedicated - $70/month with no support. 4 gigs of ram.
    ovh.co.uk - Dedicated - $100/month with no support. 16 gigs of ram + quad core + 1.5tb of space


    Handson if you don't know how to manage server side stuff, or if you just dont want to. OVH if you know how to manage the server yourself or want to. Both companies are professional hosters and aren't reselling hosting services out of their home.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2011
  11. dog-tag

    dog-tag Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    811
    Likes Received:
    912
    Occupation:
    Full-Time Internet Marketer + Business Consultant
    Location:
    Thailand
    +1 rep added for such a detailed answer... thanks :)

    In fairness hostwinds services are very well priced, never used them but they are priced very well compared to others.

    I used ovh before, good guys too... they're servers are generally in France as far as I know, so I'd presume you'd need to conform to French law then.
     
  12. Zapdos

    Zapdos Power Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2011
    Messages:
    597
    Likes Received:
    708
    Location:
    Eastern North Carolina
    Price generally reflects quality relative to the servers location. Hostwinds provides cheap hosting, and that's what it is. Apparently if you try to voice that here on the forums you get your post deleted and banned. The registration of hostwinds also points to a residential address. Running a critical website without a hosting team to back you up would be a mistake because there are always issues.
    If you were just running some autoblog or some minor website then I would recommend hostwinds. Its not critical, its not business so it can afford mistakes. A forum cannot (take BHW for example which crashes quite often)

    Handson and OVH have their own server teams which will be able to help you when needed. If neither of those work for you, I could go through some of the other hosts I keep. Those two are the best of the 2 ends of the spectrum. Handson for support and OVH for power with the best pricing in either league.


    OVH servers are in France, so yes you would technically be needed to abide by their laws. However, OVH is also the largest seedbox hoster (torrenting) so they're not caring about stuff like that. Take that info however you want.
     
  13. Hostwinds

    Hostwinds Power Member UnGagged Attendee Enterprise Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2010
    Messages:
    766
    Likes Received:
    544
    Occupation:
    C.E.O.
    Location:
    Oklahoma
    Home Page:
    With all due respect,

    The BHW uptime has been better than it has been in months, since the change to Hostwinds uptime has dramatically increased, and were no longer filtering out half of Asia.


    We do not ban people who voice their honest opinions when certian people attempt to blackmail us into doing things for free, and then posting bad reviews, then that's different.
     
  14. Zapdos

    Zapdos Power Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2011
    Messages:
    597
    Likes Received:
    708
    Location:
    Eastern North Carolina
    Dramatically better does not mean good. I assume the OP would like 99%+ uptime with a small premium for team based support rather than risk a decent amount of downtime. Depending on his setup and plan, an hour of downtime or slow time could result in the loss of hundreds or thosuands in revenue.

    As for the banning, I don't really see why the hosting company receives administration privileges. That allows you to censor and control the reviews of your services so by all rights you could have 100% positive reviews shown, but lots being deleted. It's conflict of interest. Also, if the person did infact post a thread bashing your company when they tried to blackmail you, you should have instead responded to the blackmail and locked the thread or left it open for discussion. Sweeping problems under the rug are normally more problematic than leaving it out.
     
  15. dog-tag

    dog-tag Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    811
    Likes Received:
    912
    Occupation:
    Full-Time Internet Marketer + Business Consultant
    Location:
    Thailand
    I was talking with Peter late last night, and I've agreed to try out his level 5 VPS to start with on my new forum. If it goes well, I will surely move my other VPS's over to hostwinds and consolidate them on one dedi.

    I'll post my own honest review in about 2 weeks, and it will be honest to the bone. I lick nobodys ass on here. I'll fully list all the pros and cons, it's always good for any business to here real feedback, good constructive criticism.

    In hostwinds defence though Zapdos, BHW gets battered by DDOS very frequently, so you really do need to take that into account, and I've a suspicion that those error pages that appear from time to time could well be planned. There's a lovely clickbank affiliate link to facebook blaster on that error page, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional.

    From your point also Zapdos, I've experienced my posts being deleted also, after being treated like shit, then had a bad itrader left against me for a totally made up reason. The seller was a proper dickhead and I wrote posts on his BST detailing the exact conversation we just had, and explained what happened. Later on of course my posts were removed.

    Because of that I don't believe any of the reviews on BHW and I don't think anyone should.
    I can tell you now, hostwinds are not the first to ever delete a post on here. If you have a real grudge, load up AMR and Scrapebox and leave your reviews everywhere so nobody can ever censor you.

    If Peter and yourself are happy, I'll open a thread in about 2 weeks (have to wait for my vb licence) and I'll give a pure honest review of what I think of them, I'll even go out of my way to make it one of the most detailed hosting reviews on here..
     
  16. Zapdos

    Zapdos Power Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2011
    Messages:
    597
    Likes Received:
    708
    Location:
    Eastern North Carolina
    Good luck with the VPS! Be sure to modify your DNS a few days in advance and change the TTL down to ~5 minutes to reduce downtime. Alot of people do make the mistake of not doing so and have a 3 day downtime which can be quickly and easily be avoided. Also setting up the correct apache/php directives would be advised. I don't see any mention of the VPS' being deployed with optimized settings.

    I look forward to the review. It would also be helpful to have one ~2 months down the line and then ~6 months. Both assuming you're still with Hostwinds at the time. Two weeks is normally not enough for hosting issues to become apparent.
     
  17. dog-tag

    dog-tag Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    811
    Likes Received:
    912
    Occupation:
    Full-Time Internet Marketer + Business Consultant
    Location:
    Thailand
    Yeah my site is offline about 18 hours now I think... Support is only on American time also from what I've seen, and I'm Thailand so it doesn't exist for me... Will be one very interesting review!

    And you've made a good point, I'll keep the thread alive with updates like you suggested to give the bigger picture.
     
  18. Zapdos

    Zapdos Power Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2011
    Messages:
    597
    Likes Received:
    708
    Location:
    Eastern North Carolina
    Hostwinds advertises 24/7 admin support.

    http://www.hostwinds.com/support.html
    Tried the emergency button?
    http://www.hostwinds.com/emergencysupport.html
     
  19. xgnux

    xgnux Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2008
    Messages:
    492
    Likes Received:
    149
    Occupation:
    STudent
    Location:
    Germany
    I would go for a decent VPS with litespeed. Also enable caching content for all users that are not logged in. This way everything will be speedy. :)
     
  20. Nookie Monster

    Nookie Monster Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2010
    Messages:
    968
    Likes Received:
    463
    Location:
    USA
    Can't wait to hear how this whole thing pans out. Interesting points made by Zapdos and dog-tag.

    Surely there is a logical explanation for all of this. Maybe Hostwinds will post an update soon.

    @dog-tag.... Are you sure you set up the hosting properly?