I can't for the life of me remember what this is called.

gasman · Dec 12, 2011

One of my companies is growing greatly. There is one part of the job where due to privacy I can only do myself. If I have someone else do it they can easily just start their own competing company because they will know my secrets. Well the part I have to do is fill out lead information on a certain website that I do not own. I have grown my business enough to where I can't keep up with filling out the information myself and if I want to keep growing (which I do) I will have to hire people to fill out the lead information themselves and I don't want them knowing the website I am using.

Anyway I had an idea. I know it isn't really used anymore, but I know some people used to make fake pages to get people to fill out CPA offers. For example, if you wanted someones information for an auto insurance CPA offer you would put something like "Win Greenday tickets" or something completely different to get their info, but I can't remember what it was called. I'm think iFrame is that right?

Anyway I want to be able to use a totally different domain and different look to the site, but still have the people working technically filling out the information on the other website and submitting it being none the wiser. Does this make sense and would this work?

sapo · Dec 12, 2011

Iframing is very easy to discover. So if someone who you hire wants to be the wiser they can find out the real site you masking.

Best bet to hire offline people then people in this world of IM. I used to work for this blackhat company here in phx and all we did was post ads lol and got paid hourly a small company i worked with 13 other people and no one even knew why or cared I did but said nothing.

so you best bet is to get someone off the street who doesnt care why just does it.

and you can also have them sign a non competing contact, and if they go off work for another similiar company or starts they can be legally held accountable.

anyways if you want to go to iframe route but dont know how hit me up I will help you where I can.

gasman · Dec 12, 2011

sapo said:
Iframing is very easy to discover. So if someone who you hire wants to be the wiser they can find out the real site you masking.

Best bet to hire offline people then people in this world of IM. I used to work for this blackhat company here in phx and all we did was post ads lol and got paid hourly a small company i worked with 13 other people and no one even knew why or cared I did but said nothing.

so you best bet is to get someone off the street who doesnt care why just does it.

and you can also have them sign a non competing contact, and if they go off work for another similiar company or starts they can be legally held accountable.

anyways if you want to go to iframe route but dont know how hit me up I will help you where I can.

well who i hired wouldn't know anything about IM they would simply be putting information from leads into the fields on an Iframe.. they would have no idea that it was even going to another company and no reason to look into it. I just don't want them having to no the website and log into my account to do their work. So if it's just some random person off the street that would have no IM knowlege and just though his job was simply taking leads that I gave him an putting the info in the correct field and clicking submit, do you think he would have any clue it's an iframe if he had no reason to know what that even was or suspect that it was going to another company?

basically i am getting paid for selling my leads to another company that I get though people who work for me cold calling, but I don't want them to know the leads are being used for another company and not my own so they don't know they could easily just take leads and sell them for more money than what i would be paying them.

ohaider · Dec 12, 2011

Iframing is too easily detected.

Go the real world route by having them sign a non-competing contract. MAKE SURE IT WILL STAND IN COURT. Too stringent or broad contracts do not hold up. Also I hope you know that you CANNOT have it so they can't open a competitor business in the country- that will be a monopoly. However making it in the local county or region is usually acceptable. You just want to make it uncomfortable for people to have to move in order to proceed in business.

source: Law 101

EDIT: After reading your response, perhaps setting up a script to post the leads for you would be easier. Have them manually fill in the information into a program and when you decide to run it, it will automate the process.

Most people aren't wise enough to catch onto what they are doing for you.

starcity83 · Dec 12, 2011

gasman said:
One of my companies is growing greatly. There is one part of the job where due to privacy I can only do myself. If I have someone else do it they can easily just start their own competing company because they will know my secrets. Well the part I have to do is fill out lead information on a certain website that I do not own. I have grown my business enough to where I can't keep up with filling out the information myself and if I want to keep growing (which I do) I will have to hire people to fill out the lead information themselves and I don't want them knowing the website I am using.

Anyway I had an idea. I know it isn't really used anymore, but I know some people used to make fake pages to get people to fill out CPA offers. For example, if you wanted someones information for an auto insurance CPA offer you would put something like "Win Greenday tickets" or something completely different to get their info, but I can't remember what it was called. I'm think iFrame is that right?

Anyway I want to be able to use a totally different domain and different look to the site, but still have the people working technically filling out the information on the other website and submitting it being none the wiser. Does this make sense and would this work?

You are way better off creating a seperate domain for this and just uploading your form on a .pdf file that they can complete and submit to you, otherwise they will discover your secret. Most people are not as smart as you think, but BHW members are brilliant!

sapo · Dec 12, 2011

gasman said:
well who i hired wouldn't know anything about IM they would simply be putting information from leads into the fields on an Iframe.. they would have no idea that it was even going to another company and no reason to look into it. I just don't want them having to no the website and log into my account to do their work. So if it's just some random person off the street that would have no IM knowlege and just though his job was simply taking leads that I gave him an putting the info in the correct field and clicking submit, do you think he would have any clue it's an iframe if he had no reason to know what that even was or suspect that it was going to another company?

basically i am getting paid for selling my leads to another company that I get though people who work for me cold calling, but I don't want them to know the leads are being used for another company and not my own so they don't know they could easily just take leads and sell them for more money than what i would be paying them.

You have to fake 100%

And no one would even know.

what I will do is this.

Create a simple site,

You business_name.com and that will be a login page (if you have a website already, just make it business_name.com/employee.php or something similar) and this way your employees will think they logging into the company site and when they login you can have the iframed page where you mask the actual site and have them fill in the leads and they wont be the wiser cause they be thinking they signed into the company website and filling out the leads for your company rather then some other site.

hope I explained it clearly, I type how i talk rather then sentences. so let me know if you need me to break down some mroe.

gasman · Dec 12, 2011

sapo said:
You have to fake 100%

And no one would even know.

what I will do is this.

Create a simple site,

You business_name.com and that will be a login page (if you have a website already, just make it business_name.com/employee.php or something similar) and this way your employees will think they logging into the company site and when they login you can have the iframed page where you mask the actual site and have them fill in the leads and they wont be the wiser cause they be thinking they signed into the company website and filling out the leads for your company rather then some other site.

hope I explained it clearly, I type how i talk rather then sentences. so let me know if you need me to break down some mroe.

Well I must not have explained myself very well because this is EXACTLY what I meant that I wanted to do. So if I did this and hired some regular joe there shouldn't be any worries right? Privacy isn't the only reason I want to do it this way I just want them to see my brand and not the one i'm selling the leads to when they are logged in.

sapo · Dec 12, 2011

gasman said:
Well I must not have explained myself very well because this is EXACTLY what I meant that I wanted to do. So if I did this and hired some regular joe there shouldn't be any worries right? Privacy isn't the only reason I want to do it this way I just want them to see my brand and not the one i'm selling the leads to when they are logged in.

yeah then you should be allright, just theme everything similar to the actual site so it dont look to be out of place. and keep on earning that $$$$$$$$$$

Virus1 · Dec 12, 2011

what you are describing is called ghost CPA...

The people fill out a form... but the info is submitted to another site.

for example... they submit their info thinking that they are registering to win a car..
but in the back... their info goes to an insurance quote CPA offer...

Buzzika · Dec 12, 2011

Virus1 said:
what you are describing is called ghost CPA...

No, GhostCPA was(?) a software that allowed people to iframe easily... its called iframing.

Nickel · Dec 12, 2011

you should maybe think about automating the process
zennoposter is an excellent tool

MoGreen · Dec 12, 2011

just hire a programmer to do a script on the backend...and have the script go into the real site and enter the info, you could even use ubot to set it up from your computer then have whoever enters the information into a file, and ubot will go to that site and enter the data, ubot is quite easy to learn to figure out, you don't need to know coding. Unless what you're doing is filling in fake leads for cpa offer, then this isn't a real business.

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