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Discussion in 'YouTube' started by whatsunut, Jan 12, 2010.

  1. whatsunut

    whatsunut Newbie

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    Hi BHers! I've been following this forum for some time now(and even though i don't post much) i've learnt a LOt of stuff, some of which i never even knew existed...and i'd like to thank you all for that!(regardless of whether the stuff i've learnt is going to be useful or not XD)

    Here's the gist of my problem(or at least i'll try to keep this a gist)
    I'm 17 years old, and as i near the age of "supposed" adulthood i'm being pushed by my parents into areas that i'm not interested or comfortable in(career wise)...to me it's pretty obvious what i would like to do, music is in my blood(literally, i mean, if you cut me up, you'd probably have vibrato mixed with plasma). I've been singing for as long as i can remember and quite honestly, it's the only thing i feel i'd be happy doing for the rest of my life, regardless of whether i turn into a huge star or not(if i'm good enough of course).
    First of all before i start to cut this section down into pieces i'd like it if you could actually see for yourselves my ability, there are two videos(both of them impromptu so if i made some mistakes here and there i'm sorry :-$)-

    Me covering adam lambert's cover of gary jules's cover of "Mad World" originally by Tears for fears(Ok...ok...i admit it, that was completely unnecessary Xp)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXMUR1TdTXg

    Me covering Justin Timberlake's "cry me a river"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_lyhA0X8J8

    Any comments, ratings, favourites(yeah right...pfft) would be highly appreciated

    Now if you've seen those two vids, i'd like to mention that i am completely self taught, with some help from the internet of course.

    So we come to our Bulleted(or numbered since i'm not in the mood for a bulleted list right now -.-, P.S.- i don't make sense sometimes so ignore me when something like that happens) list of my problems to which i'd like some advice from you guys. Why from you people? Because unlike everyone else i know, you people think out of the box and are not afraid to venture into different territories, even if the field is completely unrelated i trust you guys more than any other community for some reason :)

    Problem 1) Where i live - yup, probably the biggest misfortune to befall me as that i reside in the middle of nowhere in India, yes, believe it or not india. where there's virtually NO and i mean LITERALLY(i know virtually and literally are ironic) No scope for my passion. It's a bigger problem that i live in a small town...a metro would've helped. so because of that the internet is probably my only resource to get "discovered" so to say...

    Problem 2) My parents - understandable that they want me to lead a prosperous and "happy" life, become an engineer, get an MBA and settle down in ingnomity<==i don't know about you but that picture gives me nightmares! I could understand the fact that they didn't encourage it but it's come to the point that they're actually stopping me from doing it, they've turned from neutral to against it. They refuse to let me get an instrument, refuse to let me even practice singing so i could get better...those two videos were made when they were out of the house. I guess there isn't much i can do about it, i've tried talking to them but it's like talking to a brick wall hurling small pebbles at you every time you speak. I'll be honest, i love my parents, but they can be a pain sometimes, especially these days.

    Problem 3) if you've seen the videos i'm sure you've probably realised that the video quality is screwed, the explanations simple, i have to make do with an old canon poweshot A530(yes! it IS a point and shoot camera), actually the search for some money so that i could buy a decent camera is what led me to BHW. so far i've tried twitter advertising, e-whoring(i didn't have much hope from this anyways), not much success yet, i'm still trying them though, i need to ask, which ideas would you suggest if you had to, i'd try to spin them my own way/problem is that i don't really have ANY starting collateral :|, so perhaps a small income generating idea which in turn can finance a much more lucrative attempt? like auto-blogs or something...

    Problem 4) not really a problem, just lack of knowledge about harvesting(<=i love this term!) youtube traffic, what else besides the keyword optimizing etc...the Big G seems to have pwned most of the YT BH tools(view increasers mainly) and the only working commenter/favorit(er)(which can be found on this blog) costs moolah...any advice? I'd love one of my videos to go viral, once i get some really good ones that is, i don't want just any shit to go viral, these two were impromptu like i mentioned, i've even gotten real comments(YAY!)<=i tried a commenter that was posted here a couple of weeks ago i think, but all the YT accounts it used were declared spamshitte X|)

    It's just these things for that, i don't want to type in everything at once and find out that no-one read the post and it went into the dark bowels of the forum...
    Please advise me on my quest for happiness, and DO comment/favourite the video, and suggest any changes i should make(video/audio quality being the most obvious one -.-)...i'd really really really appreciate Any feedback!
    Thank you!
    P.S.- And someone asked me so just for you- yes i CAN drop the indian accent at will, pretty obvious from the vids, i can do a mean scottish accent too XP(grew up there. moved back to indiYeah(Hell no) when i was 4)
    and once again Thank you!
     
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  2. excaflowne

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    oww maan.. you're just remind me on younger me.. :D

    when i was 17 or so, my parents wanted me to go to the college, but i was in a band ( i played guitar :p). i really enjoying doing music, creating samples and so on.

    but finally i went to the college anyway. i chose IT as my path and i'm not regret it. though i was lost at some point to graduation ( lot of art projects, couldn't make a decision where to go and yes the IM thinggg.. arrgh ).

    but now here i am, a 9 to 5 proffesional and also self-employee. i'm planning to retire at 27 as i build my business empire. after that i can do whatever i want, including my hobbies.

    so my suggestion is follow what your parents want, dude, while maintaining your hobby and passion. contrary to popular beliefs, they're know that best for us.

    play it safe. play it smart. and good luck to ya. ;)
     
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  3. excaflowne

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    ah, for the IM thing..

    eventually you just find what suit best for you. just keep focus and dont give up...
     
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  4. LHaskins

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    I agree, this way you have more than one skill. Music is a long hard road, and I don't know ANY sucessful musician that does not have something to fall back on. Besides, if they are going to send you to school, then you will be in a larger area. You can then (while you go to school) take instruction in music and network with others. It does not have to be a either or choice, you can have both if you do the smart thing.
     
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  5. ebostrom

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    Well you could always just go to college and not do anything, thats what I did. Dont really recommend it though.
     
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  6. Peepers

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    Well, regarding your voice-- You have a nice voice. You could benefit from some lessons. When you breathe, make sure not to raise your shoulders. Do not breathe from your lungs. This causes extra strain. To get a clear sustained toned and gain a bit more control over your voice, and articulation, practice breathing from your diaphragm.

    Regarding your career-- Noone can tell you what career path to choose but yourself. ALWAYS follow your heart; and REMEMBER art/music and other forms of spiritual expression, articulation of self does not guarantee a living.

    You can sing for the rest of your life.. As much as possible; and even make it a FULL TIME thing.. BUT.. You need a backup.. Find something else that you love. Get your degree in the promising field (whatever you choose) and work on your music on the side. If you're truly a good musician, your music will eventually sell itself; and also, you'll always have something to fall back on.. Good luck!


    edit: I don't mean that music will literally sell itself.. I actually mean that quality of your music/product will take precedence over its Advertising... So don't take it literal, in the sense that one day you will just get signed and 'make it.' There's a lot of work to be done in the future concerning your music career. Again, never give up, follow your HEART/DREAMS, but ALWAYS have a backup plan (education which is applicable to business or a field which generates money that you're interested in (so, it would seem IM since you're here..) :)
     
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  7. behealthy

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    I listened to one of your videos (the timberlake one) and as a music fan I think you and I would agree you need some professional training but thats about it. Like you said your (in this instance) unfortunate place of residence plays a big factor in being expossed to opportunities but that does not mean you should give up or just forget about your passion.

    Ofcourse you should carry on singing, but at the same time find / discover an alternative career that is more feasible, sometimes things turn out soo not how you wanted or expect so you have to compensate for that day career wise. Take my example, I wanted and still have this thing in my heart that one day Im gonna make it as an actor. Something in my heart ever since secondary school, has always illuminated when ever I even think about it. I loved it. I love acting. I love improvising, I love role playing and its exciting to me. Not to mention I wasnt a bad actor even and I managed to pull off characters other fail at. However i learned that I had to think logically and not let my emotions take control of sense.

    Although I was a very good actor unless I when to a film school which I couldnt afford at the time or I knew of some connections, baby, it werent gona happen! It was just a dream, a dream that I couldnt manifest BECAUSE of my circumstances. Ok, so I have this passion but I was growing up, I had to earn a living. I had to learn about something I liked doing but at the same time my passion is still there. Your passion will never go away you just have to find another for it to manifest and you have to create an invironment for it. How you create that invironment is a number of things such like being in the right place/around the right people. Going to events, thinking and creating an opportunity for yourself such as singng for free at functions parties asking a shop keeper or something to play your tracks in the background if they allow music etc. I also agree with your parents as far as having a back up to your life but carry on the singing. Since your here on BHW raise some funds to go to places where opportunity presents itself higher.

    Me?! I have discovered an alternative related path which is film making and camera work. I love that aspect of film too and as I have matured I have ideas for documentaries and films that I feel strongly about which is beneficial for all and I wish to document them and social media and music production. That is now my "accepted career" goals. I will start my own small film production company and I want my own equiptment and as always i want to work for myslef and blah blah blah so thats me.
     
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  8. tygrus

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    If you have a talent or passion that you love and want to pursue, but it has a chance of leading you to a life without a steady income (which many of the arts and social sciences usually do) , then you have to attack it another way.

    Pick a lucrative, but enjoyable main career, whatever it is and put your daytime energy into that. On nights, weekends, holidays, whatever, keep cultivating your passion with all your heart.

    One of 4 things will eventually happen for you.

    1.) Eventually, you will be stable enough income wise to leave your job at least part time to pursue your real passion,

    2.) or your real passion will have become successful enough to become your main source of income. Then you can still leave your work and pursue it.

    3.) or you may find that you want to continue with both and your passion becomes a hobby.

    4.) your passion flames out

    17 is a pretty young are to know what you absolutely want to do for the rest of your life. Whats hot in your mind right now, may not be that important to you after you have a few years under your belt.
     
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  9. whatsunut

    whatsunut Newbie

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    Thanks a lot for all the answers!
    I guess you all are right, i DO need lessons.
    I guess i AM going to college, there's no way around that, i'll keep singing and hopefully somehow my path will intersect with the path i want to follow, thank you!
    I know in my heart who i want to be, and i'm determined to go through what i have to to get there...and i hope BHW and it's community can help me get there somehow...:)
     
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    hi! i guess you can relate to my situation and i really hope that your potential company is a success, you mentioned you saw the timberlake video, i agree that i need more practice, i urge you to watch the other one though, the timberlake video was just a test as i mentioned in the video description, so t was pretty much just checking the sound quality, the second one is a bit more organised(though i did 4get a line in there Xp), but i posted it anyways...
    Thank you for replying!
     
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    LMFAO! That just made my day!
     
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    just become a youtube star.
     
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    NEVER MIND !!! WHATEVER YOU DO, IT WON'T MATTER !!! SOCIETY IS BORG :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZEJ4OJTgg8&feature=related[/URL]
     
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    This all sounds like American Idol meets Billy Elliott meets Slumdog Millionaire.


    My opinion?

    Record songs. Some covers, especially to start - and some original tracks as well.

    Chuck them on YouTube. Tie them all in with a 2 minute video showing where you live, how you want to be a singer, you have no money and you feel like the only way to succeed is to go to University.

    Link them all up together.

    Build a website. Even if it is a free .cc site or something - I'm happy to host it for you for nothing. Get a PayPal account. Chuck all your videos and tracks on your site, as well as a biography. Explain your situation.

    Direct traffic from YouTube to your site - explain that you want money for singing lessons, and money to move to US or elsewhere (smaller western country like UK, Australia, Canada would be better if you want a career as a singer though!) - and they you need money to get there, get lessons and get recording time to get a demo organised.

    Ask for any sorts of donations to help out reaching your goal.

    Promote on Facebook, Twitter, Spam Music Blogs, whatever.

    Ask fellow BHW members to help out if they can.

    Make enough money and move to LA. Record a demo and don't forget us... :)



    You are a reflection of me mate, 10 years ago. Don't change who you are to fit someone else's ideals...
     
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  15. whatsunut

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    Firstly thank you for replying, secondly, all of that was EXACTLY(-ish XD) what i was planning to do, if i didn't mention it before i am a pretty okay-ish songwriter as well...
    But my main problems are still the video quality and the lack of a instrument, oh How i wish i had an acoustic guitar with me! i won't be able to do much for a couple of months, but as soon as i achieve freedom(for a while) i'm gonna go all out on this stuff, that's why i accidentally dropped in here, in search of money to get me a decent camcorder and a guitar! And i just may take you up on the hosting offer(though i hate the part that i'm not paying for it...), and yes, i'll never forget you folks :')

    P.S.- How about writing to ellen?
     
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  16. SparkyBlue

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    Hmm... Why don't you just use a webcam and a desktop microphone?

    Yes. I know. The quality DOES bite. But if you want to appeal to people, it will be a lot more authentic/legitimate if you use just what's available to you.

    After all, stating that you are doing it hard and need money to follow your dream - all in HD quality crisp video and while singing into a Shure SM57 isn't going to probably translate quite the want you want it to! :)

    And shit yeah, hit Ellen up. Hit ANYBODY up. Write out to any network people that may be able to help - but it's probably a good idea if you have a few videos, including one explaining your plight, BEFORE you go talking to them... that way you can direct them to YouTube to further push yourself. And shows like Ellen, etc. love to switch to YouTube footage while telling their story. Trust me on that.

    And no sweat with the hosting. If it's for someone who wants to follow a career in music I'd always be willing to help. I pay for it anyway, so why would i charge?

    If you need to chat about anything music related feel free to hit me up - I've been lead singer in a few bands, created electronic music and written lyrics (many, many lyrics).

    P.S If you really want to thank me - there's a button for it. ;)

    Good luck bro.
     
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    Become a YouTube phenomenon like SouljaBoy
     
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    What ever you do, just make sure you have an income earning back up plan.

    You don't want to be 40 years old, eating in the alley and kicking yourself for singing in the mirror when you were young when could have been working toward something and improving your lot in life. Passion or no passion, that would suck.
     
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    you have to goto college, theres a surplus of people.

    no one can tell you that going to college and finishing it is a bad idea. unless of course they never went to college which is understandable.

    back in the 60's you didn't have to goto college to raise a family now you do, adapt to change or you'll be wondering what went wrong in your later years.
     
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    Not bad, but go to college and use your voice to pick up girls.... not try for the competitive increasing revenue decreasing music industry... I was a professional DJ for 5 years the biz will kick the crap out of you and eat your children... hobby and women