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I Believe PageRank is Dead. So Does This Change Our Strategy For Finding Sites?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by sre94, Feb 8, 2011.

  1. sre94

    sre94 Junior Member

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    My site has gone from page 12 to page 1 in a few months time, yet the page has no pagerank. It is the only site in the top 10 for this keyword without it. This leads me to believe that Google is no longer updating PageRank

    So assuming this is the case, do we still need to be worrying about finding high PR sites to place our link on? And if not, where should we be looking instead?
     
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    I have heard it is better to concentrate on site S.E.R.P's than PageRank. Also you want to rank well for keyword phrases that are searched heaps. I have also heard that there isn't a significant difference between PR1 and PR2 but there is a huge difference between PR5 and 6 (this makes me think there must be an exponential graph that shows how much strength each PageRank point carries).
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  3. dichotom

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    Pagerank is a great metric if you are planning to sell a site to someone, other than that I have found it to be useless. As far as places to link from, link from everywhere is the best answer, articles, web 2.0's, random backlinks, .edu, .gov, yahoo answers, videos, your mom's gardening website.. throw some high PR ones in there too for good measure, I mean, why not? Do the links in layers, do them in pyramids, do them in wheels, do them in horseshoe shapes, do them in a tornado shape with a shark fin on one side :D
     
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  4. businessbira

    businessbira Power Member

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    The PR you see today is the PR the site had months ago.

    It means shit since what you see is NOT what you get. So why bother... ;)
     
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    Nekroev Newbie

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    Man I'm gonna write an ebook called Tornado Backlink methods with Shark fins on the side

    love the quote
     
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  6. neo3187

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    U've seen serp improvements cz your backlinking efforts have passed the link juice to your site... its not that you'll se the PR numeric value when you check as the PR is updated every 3 months... but that does not mean PR is dead... ive seen sites ranking for stupid yet high traffic getting keywords cz they are PR 4 and less relevant.... concentrate on good high PR link building and enjoy the invisible PR :D but visible benefits ;)
     
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    richlondon18 Junior Member

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    For something to die doesn't it have to be alive in the first place :D As someone has already mentioned PR is fine if you are trying to get a bigger price for your domain or if you are going to use it as a very general indicator of a sites rankings but all i care about these days is my serps, i don't even have the googlebar showing pr any more, just a distraction
     
  8. dichotom

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    When the thought popped in my head I could actually see the logo for your ebook, it was like a half tornado half shark hybrid with big muscly arms and a toothy grin :D
     
  9. dichotom

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    This is a great point to keep in mind for people who don't know, the PR only updates a few times a year on the toolbar (all the tools you use to check PR are querying google's toolbar API I believe) but the actual pagerank of a page / site is calculated in a real-time basis in google's database (so I have been told / have read)
     
  10. Niche-Digger

    Niche-Digger Junior Member

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    PR means nothing, right?

    What do you prefer - a link form PR5 or PR0 ?
     
  11. kindof

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    I think PR has been updated by Google in January, 2011.

    There is a relation between search engine results and PR: given two websites with similar/same content, the one with the higher PR will rank higher in the search results.
     
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    In my exp it is better to have a bl link from a pr5 page in the 10th position than from a pr0 page in the 1st postion. Your own PR is not that important for your ranking, high pr links pointing to you are (at least currently).

    In other words it is possible that a pr0 site has a higher hidden (actual) PageRank, but there is no way that a pr5 page has a 0 hidden pr.
     
  13. dichotom

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    Though many believe this, I have seen this proven wrong over and over (and over) again.
     
  14. Niche-Digger

    Niche-Digger Junior Member

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    I don't agree here! That PR0 page could become a PR2 in the next update and even better. But the key here is to get your link above the fold - the first 30% of the page . Sadly some templates allow you to display the list on the top of the page but it is actually at the end of the code.

    So you need a link above the fold both on the page and in the code.
     
  15. dannyhw

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    It doesn't matter much at all for ranking. It's kind of useful to get a general idea of whether or not a page MIGHT be worth getting a link from.

    PR itself is represented on the toolbar on a logarithmic scale. A PR1 can represent up to 10X a PR0, A PR2 can represent up to 10X a PR1, etc. So a PR4 could be 10,000X a PR0. This is just for PR though, and it's not weighted that high when it comes to actual serps. Hasn't been in many years.