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I am looking for expired domains............BUT!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Brad12, Dec 31, 2014.

  1. Brad12

    Brad12 Registered Member

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    So I am in the process of searching through domains for building up a PBN. I am strictly looking for domains with PR before analyzing any further.

    I am letting many go with great DA, TF and CF but they have no PR.

    Am I making a mistake? Should I not even worry if they have PR or not?
     
  2. infoasian

    infoasian Supreme Member

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    PR is an outdated metric. Never has been significant for serps. Why use it?
     
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  3. spiritfly

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    Of course you are. PR hasn't been updated since more than a year now. Even if it was it still isn't that accurate. DA is pretty much the only accurate right now, but it still can be spammed so be careful. Majestic metrics is also good to include. And most importantly manual checking of the backlinks is highly recommended and combined with checking waybackmachine is the best thing to do to check what this domain was and how is it doing now.
     
  4. AntiHacker

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    lol.
    Don't worry about PR,google won't update that anymore.
    Majestic is great and Trust flow and citation flow tools are very good. Ahrefs is useful,but majestic is better in my oppinion.
    You also have open explorer,with DA and PA,but I don't think about that too much.
    If you are going for deleted domains,such as on expireddomains.net,my steps go like this:
    first go with just in last 24 hours,then no fake pr etc,and only with DA 25+ and PA 25-30+ (it depends how much time you have to look all domains)
    First check if site is indexed. Type "site:domain.com" to see this. I mean you can index it later,but in like 90% domains,if it is not indexed,it was spam or something like that.
    Then I go in Open site explorer. I go here first because you have a lot of shots. Install zenmate,and just change your location. Then you can remove it and install it again and so on. I don't have anything specific,I just look if DA is 25+,and how much backlinks it have. Also root domains and backlinks. Then if I like it I go in majestic,and if TF is like 15 and CF is 20 I will buy it. Also TF/CF=0.75+. Then if there is no spam backlinks,or something like that I would buy it. Also check in ahrefs to see link building. If there is huge jump in backlinks in few days don't buy it. That is about all,try it,and after few days you will know the good domain after few seconds.
     
  5. Gyuman82

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    I don't agree with people disregarding PR completely. Yes it is an outdated metric, but it is still something that comes directly from Google, and it indicates at least that at one point in time this domain was considered to be worth something (though it may not be now).

    All factors have to be taken into consideration. PR, TF/CF, DA/PA, Domain Age etc. are all things I look at when selecting domains.

    Keep in mind that these backlink tools can be manipulated, and often leave out quite a bit of links.

    I agree that PR is an outdated metric, but it is not something I disregard completely. It definitely factors into my decision when picking up domains.

    If I'm on the fence about a domain, PR can sway me into buying or tossing it. All these metrics plus of course an evaluation of the backlink profile itself is necessary to make a good domain purchase.
     
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  6. AntiHacker

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    Age is not important if he buys deleted domains. I mean it can show is domain good or not,but backlinks are what you need to look,and TF,CF,DA,PA it is all about backlinks. But I look that domains is older then 3 years. Links are probably natural. But I agree about PR thing with you
     
  7. SEO Power

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    Contrary to what almost everyone has said here, PR was and still is an important metric to me. If a domain has been online and Indexed for 3 years and has a DA of 30+ and high estimates in other metrics but doesn't have any PR, it's either been penalised or it's stats have been artificially boosted. That's my view.
     
  8. rogerke

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    No idea why tony_d (which I greatly respect) liked your post, but you couldn't be more wrong. I've hundreds of hours of experience with finding and researching expired domains and PR is still BY FAR the most important metric. DA/PA/TF are literally worthless and I can give you hudreds of examples of genuine expired PR2-4 domains with DA and TF <10.

    The things is you HAVE to make sure the PR is correct. This means you have to look at the backlink profile and see if the backlinks a) still exist and b) wether the PR of that backlink is still correct (mostly wether the site structure hasn't changed significantly). What I mean is that sometimes you'll find a PR5 backlink from a page which was the homepage or a page close to the homepage during the last PR update, but has currently dropped down to a back alley. In that case the PR has also dropped significantly or is non-existent. In the case of new backlinks (post last PR update) the same applies; you have to research the entire site it's coming from and guesstimate what PR it would have if public PR updates still happened. It's a lot of work, but the only correct way to find great expired domains.

    Sure, in the future PUBLIC PR becomes increasingly irrelevant but for now it's still BY FAR the most important metric out there.

    I have sites in my PBN which only have 1 genuine PR5 backlink (for example 1 ith an OBL of only 5, so it is a genuine PR4 domain) and a DA and TF of less than 10, while I also have a list of 10,000 DA/TF>20 websites which are totally worthless.
     
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  9. SteveWaller

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    I agree that looking at the PR of the linking pages is still a very important part of domain analysis, especially if you are talking about links from very powerful sites where the PR flows throughout the site a LOT (take about.com for example - have you seen how many high PR inner pages they have?) and where it seems unlikely that the PR of those linking pages has changed since the last public toolbar update.

    So if the OP is only looking at the PR of the expired domains themselves, he is missing out on some gems. Analysing domains is something that each person does differently. I happen to value a few high quality (PR) links over hundreds of lower quality links even if the latter collectively results in a better DA/TF/CF etc.

    I would put each domain into ahrefs as they seem to have the most up to date database AND they put the best links at the top so you can just check a few to assess quality (Majestic is really annoying when it comes to how they sort the backlinks for any given domain and their fresh index will often exclude live backlinks for no apparent reason).
     
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  10. hashminer

    hashminer Newbie

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    When looking for expired domains the only thing I use pr for is to give priority to the domains I research first. I mainly search for domains that have been deleted for a while and most of them have no pr. There could also be a big difference in pr between www And no www
    Back links is usually the first metric I look at.
     
  11. rogerke

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    Finally someone who seems to get it. I really don't understand why people put any value on any metric outside (genuine) PR. Sure, you need to do a LOT of due dilligence, but it's the only metric big G cares about.

    Just an example: today I put in a couple of PR 8-9 university domains in my Xenu list. Picked up about 20 very valuable domains and 1 even had a genuine PR 7 backlink (OBL of 8). That's a genuine $x,xxx PR 6 domain right there, but it only has a DA of 20 and a TF of 8. The funny thing is it was dropped this July but nobody cared since they didn't pass their minimal DA/TF/CF ratio cutoff.

    Finding these domains is just like playing poker. You don't have to be a genius as long as the other people on the table are idiots :D
     
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  12. infoasian

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    Regarding PR you guys have to remember it was a metric for one single PAGE. It is not a domain metric and never was. Let's say you find a domain with homepage PR5 ... it is worthless if that was the only page on that domain. However, if you find a domain with homepage PR5 and 400 pages of PR4 to PR6 you may have found a domain worth paying a couple of hundred Dollars for. Just my 2 Cents. It may still be impossible to make it worth your investment.
     
  13. rogerke

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    What the hell are you talking about?! Sorry, but you have absolutely no clue about the technical mechanics behind PR.

    Let's follow your example and assume you buy a domain with a (genuine) homepage PR of 5. Now if you put any links on it (be it internal of external) the PR (link juice) will flow through all of those links. Originally about 15% "evaporates" (nobody knows the exact current number, but lets assume it's still the same), so all links will have 85% of PR5 divided by the amount of links on your home page.

    I really wonder how you can jump into these topics with only misinformation to add.
     
  14. FutureProofSeo

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    PR filters through a website depending on the PR of incoming links and to which pages they enter the site.

    It is a metric, and just because public PR isn't updated doesn't mean the algorithm is dead.

    Chances are domains with a homepage PR of 5+ before the last update, will still be the same if not more now, so you safely say that links from such domains carry PR weight, depending on the internal linking structure of the website.
     
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    start with TF it is #1 metric today
     
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    Buy 10 expired domains with homepage value of PR5 and point it to your PR1 page .... then come back after 6 months and tell me what hapened ... I bet you will complain about having wasted time and money. Sorry, but that's how it will look.
     
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    Most expired domains don't have PR lol...
     
  18. BuildMoreLinks

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    I am sure the PR expired domain will lose all it's PR after the next update.
     
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    If there will be a next PR update.
     
  20. musgravegeorgem

    musgravegeorgem Newbie

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    we have expired domain if you want then tell me