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I Am Anti Spun Content Period – Can You Change My Mind?

Discussion in 'Associated Content & Writing Articles' started by steelballs, Jun 29, 2012.

  1. steelballs

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    I Am Anti Spun Content Period ? Can You Change My Mind?

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    I have been in the IT business all my career and since 1995 have worked full time on the Internet! So I guess I must be doing something right. Plus I am open minded in my approach to business with a strong belief there is room for all comers with no need to disparage and criticize competitors. Because hey competition is healthy and sure helps to create additional spark and sizzle in almost all market sectors!

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    I Am Anti Spun Content Period ? Can You Change My Mind?

    I am not going into details about the negatives of spun content as they have been covered extensively all over BHW!
    What I am looking for is all the POSITIVES that Spun Content brings to a website!

    Please enlighten me as I need to learn everyday and right now I do not know the benefits of using Spun Content for publishing on websites?

    What are all the POSITIVES re SPUN CONTENT?

    Thanks :)
     
  2. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Google proper anchor text and see what is sitting at or near the top using only spun content backlinks.
     
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  3. thejake

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    Well spun content makes the plebs think a given page or site is more authoritative (or popular) than it actually is. Same reason long-form copy tends to be effective on chumps.
     
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    The average life expectancy for a male in the US is 75.6 years. Do you really want to spend a chunk of that time writing unique content for your sites?
     
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  5. madoctopus

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    People build sites with spun content but no baklinks to them. Then they complain spun content doesn't work. Others do automated spun content which is unreadable on sites that get traffic from mainstream keywords, they get a handjob (manual penalty) and complain it doesn't work. Others do the spinning only on words (that produces on avg. 50% uniqueness only) and produce thousands of articles which end up all being a duplicate of something and they complain it doesn't work.

    I can show you articles from spun content that are very readable and useful. I even get comments like "hey man, just wanted to thank you for explaining *** so thoroughly. It makes more sense now and I think I finally understand how *** works and what to do. [... more stuff removed...] you may want to read the whole post again though, there are some grammar errors and parts where i had to read it 3 times to figure out what you mean"

    Also, not just properly spun content works. computer generated 100% unreadable content works too if you know how to do it. there are many people who make money with OpenBH which has a pretty weak generator by my standards.

    Anything works in SEO. You just have to understand all variables and how they interact with eachother which obviously only a handful of people understand.

    Instead of opening a silly thread like this you should have better tested by yourself stuff and looked at sites with crap content that rank and figure out why they rank. I once had to kill 3 support sites because they ended up on 1st page in google for a mainstream keyword and if google folks would have looked into them i was risking to get the whole net killed. It happened because i set them as the focus hub for a link campaign instead of the correct ones.
     
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  6. steelballs

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    What is seen as a silly thread by some is seen as useful thread by others. My understanding of BHW and business is that it is best to help others! Hence I reserve the right to post this type of thread as it was posted with the intention of as it were getting all the Positives re Spun Content into one box ie thread as it were! Many here on BHW will feel that is helpful!

    madoctopus you did not think the OP was any good yet you still added 16 lines of text to your post - just to show you how silly I am I just pos repped you with + 4 points

    Thank You madoctopus :)
     
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  7. madoctopus

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    @steelballs People make a massive mistake. They assume they can get answers on a forum. They can't. Most answers that matter can only be discovered. First off, what works for somebody and brings him millions of $ won't bring a second person $1. I could tell you in detail certain things and you would not be able to do anything with it because you have not walked the path to that point where you can comprehend what I'd tell you and be able to do something with it.

    The best and most reliable way to lean SEO is to reverse engineer - what works, what doesn't and most importantly what variables are involved and how they interact. No matter how many questions you ask and how many answers you get until you discover yourself certain things you won't go anywhere.

    I've offered consulting at $100/hour to folks interested in SEO. After hours of me explaining them stuff they reached the following conclusions:
    1. It was money well invested and they were happy with what they learned from me
    2. They expanded their perception on SEO
    3. They didn't really liked what I told them and didn't really liked my "i have no idea" and "i don't know how to do that as per your requirements=limitations".
    4. Most were not able to do anything practical with the knowledge I gave them. Some were but most weren't.

    Most chose to "test" and implement what most people do. I told them it may work or not in the beginning but won't survive in time. After 2-4 months they came to me and said "did i told you my whole network got hit?", "at least i made my money back" (this one was offering a BST and cut even but got hundreds of client sites killed in the process). Also had people who after speaking to me got to $100k/mo SEO business. There's even a guy from BHW who by just reading and learning my post about link networks started a SEO service for big companies and now is aiming for $1mil profit by the end of the year.

    Having somebody to answer questions or even give you his way of thinking is great. I truly enjoy my discussions with my mentors and even though I can't say i got too far yet I always add up to my box of mental resources.

    However, until you DO shit by yourself and struggle to find solutions and answers somebody's else answers or way of thinking won't take you anywhere because it is HIS not YOURS.

    Also I never said you're silly (i have no way of knowing that). I said the thread is silly. What i didn't liked particularly was the "i already made a decision but what the hell, try to change my mind" way of putting it. If you already are against anti spun content then you're not really open to learn but more interested in arguing about it. If you wanted to learn about spun content the way i see it you'd have asked specific questions and I would have answered by telling you to search through my shitload of posts and find the ones about content generation, n-grams, spun content, etc. I'm not going to spend 10min to find them myself but there are a few threads started by me and a few started by others (i can remember one good thread was by user seo20) where I posted stuff.
     
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  8. steelballs

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    Thank You for your transparency and honesty - quote - ‘even though I can't say i got too far yet' - no doubt others who read this thread - will form an opinion about your comments!

    As for arguing I have not got time, I am too busy for that and like I said in the OP I was looking for positives which I got from - BassTrackerBoats - thejake - bertbaby - Thanks Guys. Then you came along!....
     
  9. thetvnun

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    you don't really have a choice. you can spend 2 hours on an article, or 4 hours on 300 articles. no one wants to spin, there just isn't another option.
     
  10. Blue Demon

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    What SEO services did u use to get to number one?
     
  11. azguru

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    On-Site: Use Fresh Content
    Off-Site/Backlinks: Use Spun Content

    Any other method then that and you are wasting your time and money.
    If you start using fresh content on all your backlinks, you will spend waaay too much money. For any given site, I will have thousands of contextual links created. Had I used fresh content for every link I would have spent a couple grand and never made any money off my sites.

    The only proof you should need is that people ARE ranking with spun content.

    QUICK EDIT: Certain backlinks are worth using fresh content - like high PR niche relevant sites.
    However, for most automated link building, spun content will do.
     
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  12. Hardyrulz

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    Why do you have to spend 2 hours on an article when a high quality can be created within 30 minutes. If you are using a speech software, then you can churn the article within 20 minutes. I personally would never recommend spun because I have had terrible experience with it.
     
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    Is Google a logical human ?

    If you keep relevancy conceptual wise in your spun crap, you'll be fine....

    However, is good content better than spun crap, of course.... I would say it depends on the range of your project and its competition. Non spun content has some positive signals that Google can read and give value to.
     
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    I would recommend spun content when time is not enough to get original and unique one.
     
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    If you dont want to use it then dont. No one is forcing you and no one will bother making you do it.
    But I do recommend you use the knowledge in here.
     
  16. KevinA

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    For article marketing and generating backlinks on scale, spun content is the way to go Even if you;re not comfortable with linking from spun content to your money site (although I have still seen this work) you can always use it for your tiers ie. sending link juice to your 1st tier links.
     
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    you may if you love doing it. If it's just for the money, then it's another matter. In the latter case however, everything will seem like "work".
     
  18. FuryKyle

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    I could, but I can't be bothered to. I got better things to do than trying to "change your mind". Just remember though, your loss, not ours :)
     
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    Because good quality spinners can generate content that is both readable and unique.

    In that case you can get essentially unlimited content without having to pay per word.