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I am a victim of a guru :( please help

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by gtahoee, Feb 19, 2011.

  1. gtahoee

    gtahoee Newbie

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    Hey.

    I am ashamed to admit I fell into the 'Guru' scam like many other newbies.

    I got into IM by watching Mass Money Makers videos (at least I didnt buy them. download it for free lol). If anyone even consider buying it - PLEASE DON'T! 90% of the videos are a waste of time, and the other 10% don't get you results.

    It all began very well, I did what they told me, bought a website, I built it, and yet, along the way, I got stucked and saw how they don't give the real valuable information, and don't help for a shitty second to make my site ranked to the top 10 SE.

    In a nutshell, I joined this forum and saw from the headlines only, how little is my knowledge about SEO.

    Can you help me get started properly?

    I've already started building a site in the purpose of selling ebook threw clickbank, although I have no idea how to continue building, thanks to stupid matt bacak.

    I need you guys to direct me to threads in this forum that help beginners getting started from the basic things. Cause when I look threw this forum I see all sort of threads that are far ahead of my knowledge.

    Thank you very much!
     
  2. ThePayRoll

    ThePayRoll BANNED BANNED

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    I'm not a SEO guy, but i know a tad-bit.

    First off - make sure you have quality content
    Make sure you're site is appealing
    Do some social bookmarking, if you goto google and type in "social bookmarking websites"
    without quotes, you will find thousands.

    Do some backlinking - backlinking is having a hotlink of your website on someone elses website, if you don't know html the code for that is;
    Code:
    <a href="http://WEBSITEHERE.tld">http://yourwebsite.tld</a>
    I wish I could help more, but that's pretty much all I know about SEO
     
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  3. gtahoee

    gtahoee Newbie

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    I know what backlinks are, and I know the content must be well written for the site to be ranked high, although the thing is - I need instructions for all the things you mentioned.
     
  4. Randy569

    Randy569 Junior Member

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    Here is the best advice I can give you:

    1: Over in the left column of this page, you will see 2 tabs. One says "Whitehat SEO", and one says "Blackhat SEO". Click the one of your choice. It will open a page with several threads which cover the very information you seek.

    2: Read until it feels like your brain is going to explode. Take a break until your eyes will re-focus, then read some more.

    3. Repeat until you have absorbed all the information available.

    I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you need to understand, we have all been in your shoes, and fought hard to gain the knowledge you are just casually asking for. So, to be blunt, we are NOT going to spoon-feed you. Do some reading, and get some basic knowledge. I'm sorry you got boned by a guru, but, we all have at some point. Thats why most of us migrated here, to get the straight scoop.

    Take the time to study the information in the knowledge base. Then, if you have questions, please feel free to ask. The knowledge base is there for a reason, let it be your friend.
     
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  5. cnick79

    cnick79 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Friend, the best way to learn how to do it, is to go out there and do it. You won't find a complete step-by-step guide from start to finish because there is so much information to cover and so many different paths leading to the same end. I can almost guarantee your first venture WILL fail. Most people do.

    I'm no expert. I can read all of the information I want but I learn by doing. Trial and error. Eventually the whole process will glue together and it will become clear.

    Quality traffic to your site is the goal.

    Here are the general stages I go about:

    1. Keyword/domain name research
    2. Content creation.
    3. SEO
    4. Backlinking
    5. Analytics review
    6. Deploy and test money making method

    Each of these have their own subsection on this forum because there is so much information to cover for each. You can go there and constantly drill down on different methods and practices until it "clicks" for you.

    Where should you start?


    Try to stick to White Hat SEO when first starting out. Do yourself a favor and stay out of the Black Hat SEO section and definitely DO NOT ENTER THE Black Hat SEO Tools section. If you don't know how the White Hat techniques work you will certainly find yourself spending a lot of money on black hat tools you have no idea on how to use. You will find yourself frustrated, with little to no results and empty pockets.
     
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  6. ash1ey

    ash1ey BANNED BANNED

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    I've written an ebook for people with zero experience if you want to take a look? Free of charge. Its 90% finished but i'd be interested for you to read it over and tell me what you think?

    Let me know and i'll PM you the details.
     
  7. gtahoee

    gtahoee Newbie

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    Let me get this strait, white hat forum is for newbies and black hat is for experts?
     
  8. donArmando

    donArmando Regular Member

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    You got it wrong.
    White hat is for legal things and staying under the radar of the Search Engines Rules.

    Black hat is to break the rules.

    So Black hat expert is someone who break the rules and got a style (Art) and never get caught.

    And White hat Expert is a person who work in Legal way and achieve a great success in every page he has.

    But most of the Internet Marketers use some Black hat forms on their sites.
     
  9. Nomak12

    Nomak12 Registered Member

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    If you didn't buy anything how were you a victim? unless the guru made you do naughty things you don't want to tell us about.
     
  10. gtahoee

    gtahoee Newbie

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    What about spending a whole fucking week looking at this videos trying to figure out most of the stuff in there, and then finding out they are useless and I need to start from scratch.

    And what about the money I spent on useless domain and the webhosting of it
     
  11. TNphoneman

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    I would not say that they break the rules but rather push the envelope.:rolleyes:

    You see it in sports all the time where the rules are well defined and teams exploit the weakness in the other team by pushing the limits of the rules.

    For every employee that works for a search engine there are 4 internet marketers that discover the weaknesses and exploit them. For IM there are no set in stone rules, you may have to set in the penalty box for a while but there are no laws regarding how you market your site. There are only guidelines.

    Companies find loopholes every year in the tax code. Are they breaking the rules? No they are identifying weaknesses and using them to their advantage.
     
  12. TNphoneman

    TNphoneman Senior Member

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    I have spent 3 years reading and learning and I still do not know it all. I finally have a site that is paying for the hosting but not much more. But it is steadily gaining traffic and that is the goal. I have gone in the wrong direction many times.

    Your domain and hosting is not wasted all you have to do is regroup and move forward with a new strategy. Consider it the half time break.
     
  13. BabySam

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    First off man this is a huge forum jumping into just any thread can easily confuse you and throw you off when looking at different posts what you need to do first is

    • Determine your niche
    • figure out if its something thats in demand
    • center your website on it
    • you need keyword research and density debuffing
    (Why? because it doesnt matter what your site is, you need keywords to rank for and keywords that hold "High Competition" will decide the amount of work thats required to be on top of the searches)

    (Find keywords with good search pull but low-medium competition then you SEO)
    • Choose the KW that will bring you the most traffic with weaker competition rank your site on that one
    • Optimize your site centered around the keyword not too much though dont saturate your site
    • Now you are ready to market- Article marketing,Pinging, link dumping (Scrape Box, Xrumer, etc), Social Bookmarking,
    • If you want create longevity in this business you need to get an autoresponder system and build a buyers list the money is in the list and it alot of noobs here that are trying to skip over that feature since the best ones are little on the pricy side and its damn near a must have, the money is in the list
    That was just a light skim of what you need to know to get started, site tracking, competition analysis, serp tracking (Big G likes to slap people alot), these are more advanced arenas but are requirements to keep your site moving

    Get to work.


    Soooo true alotta white hats dont come forward with it, but its like the sith said you cant be a great jedi without understanding the darkside. "Training day" to protect the sheep you have to go after the wolf, and it takes a wolf to kill a wolf.
     
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  14. pilgrim

    pilgrim Junior Member

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    Don't feel bad, 18 months ago I knew NOTHING...

    It didn't dawn on me for about a month that a tld could rank in thousands of different positions for thousands of different keywords. I just thought that somehow a tld 'ranked' at number 10 overall irrespective of the search term.

    What a muppet, lol

    Oh, and when I first started, I bought the internet marketing handbook as well. I'm still in therapy for that one :D
     
  15. tony23

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    eggsfukinzakly you'll go far kid...:D
     
  16. tomlondon

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    The above should really be your roadmap. I'll elaborate a little bit

    1. Find your niche - think about a subject that interests you at least a little bit... Bear in mind that a good website should have a ton of unique content and if you want quality, you should do as much writing as possible yourself, at least until you can afford to outsource it

    2. Figure out if your niche is marketable and is in demand - check g00gle keyword tool to find out the number of local searches for that phrase and find out if there are products/services you can recommend/endorse/review and SELL SELL SELL

    3. Center (or centre :) ) your website about it. The easiest way to do it is to use Wordpress - try to create as much content as possible around the product/service you want to sell. Write product reviews, latest news - keep repeating the keyword (but not in a spammy way) all over the website to convince the search engine robots your website is dedicated to the subject

    4. Narrow down the search phrases you want to rank for - if you aim for too broad keywords like "weight loss" or "credit card" you will be competing with multinational corporations or internet marketers with years of experience and budgets larger than budgets of some third world countries. On the other hand phrase "best zero percent balance transfer american express credit cards in southwest papua new guinea" may be very easy to rank for, but have zero traffic

    5. Now, when you have all the above, I would probably recommend leaving the website for a week or two to see how it ranks without any backlinking, based on the content alone - that would be your benchmark. In the meantime, tweak your onsite SEO - metatags, metadescription, keyword density, install all funky wordpress plugins, learn some basic PHP or HTML to customise your website

    6. The hard part - gaining credibility in the eyes of the ultimate judge - the big G. This is where people (including me, see one of my previous posts) sometimes go overboard with spam and shoot themselves in the foot. Build links GRADUALLY, write things down at the beginning, do some project management. Diversify your links: blog commenting, article marketing, web 2.0 blogs, social bookmarking etc Don't forget to build links to your backlinks: if you write a nice article with a backlink to your website and get it published on a nice credible article directory website, build some links to THIS article, do some mass comment blogging pointing to this article etc - use it as a buffer

    Tools: I would say a proper IM activity relies on automation. Invest in Scrapebox ($97 for BHW members), Article Marketing Robot (one time payment as well, can't remember now how much it was), maybe invest in a monthly payment tool as well, that builds web 2.0, does social bookmarking etc. such as Magic Submitter, Sick Submitter or SeNuke. Use them wisely and test, test, test and read the BHW forum.

    My experience: I build my first website in January 2010, not knowing jack shit about HTML, PHP, internet marketing etc. The website failed massively - I can reveal the niche now as I practically abandoned it, never made a cent/penny: poker. There is a mountain of competition and I simply never had a chance, being a complete 100% n00b.

    Then I discovered this forum and I spent several weeks just browsing. I came up with another project/niche, which is where I actually made a profit. I did some banner-based affiliate marketing at the beginning, but since then I actually got in touch with the provider of the service/product I am promoting and I am just his agent now, on white-label basis - which means people going onto my website don't click on banners anymore, instead they think I provide the service/sell the product, they order it, but in fact I still just forward the leads and collect commission. I still have my day job and I do IM in the evenings, but on some slow months at work my online income is bigger than from 9-5 job.

    Therefore, last piece of advice - before you pick a niche, make sure it is an actual product/service people would like to buy in the real life. I know some people make money from clickbank ebooks, but it never appealed to me, though... I would rather promote an actual service or product people would buy in a real life - this way you can gravitate from "click on a banner/adsense ad" to agent or reseller and build yourself a brick-and-mortar kind of business. Seems more sustainable to me than just promoting pdfs full of absolute bull-crap (mom makes $1234564 a day with 5 minutes work, lose 100 lbs in a week not lifting a finger, get on 1st page on G in the next 10 minutes, pick up 10 chicks this evening even if you still live in your mom's basement etc)... Having said that, there are probably people here on BHW making loads of money this way, so make your own mind about this.
     
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  17. gtahoee

    gtahoee Newbie

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    This site is full of nice and helpful people.

    Thank you guys. I believe now that everything is possible if you just search for them :)
     
  18. BabySam

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    Nice and helpful people? Ha you caught BHW on the one day off its period, trust me you'll see the flamming in this forum too, they just wait for noobs to say somethin retarded and expose their age or education. I've always been willing to help where I could I dove on a few land mines trying to learn this stuff but it's time to cut the fat thats why I help. Its some big figure people here too so Im trying to get in good aswell. Just noobs take these blue prints and track the details down in this forum, if they do that they'll fit in fine
     
  19. derpywizard

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    Well you aren't pushing any scams or anything and just asking for help. No one really has any reason to make fun of you or troll you, you're just trying to learn.

    One bit of advice (haven't read the entire thread), don't rely on videos to make money for you. If you have a mindset like "these videos are crap, won't make money" then you won't get further. Instead, take action. Also, every CB product for IM is beyond terrible. Just sayin'