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hypothetically can google find a page if there is not one backlink?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by washington2010, Sep 23, 2011.

  1. washington2010

    washington2010 Regular Member

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    If a page exists on your site, but there is not one backlink to it, google can never find this page on your site?
     
  2. moooeeey

    moooeeey Junior Member

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    As long as your robots.txt file has allowed it to be crawled by Google, then yes, Google will find it eventually.
     
  3. the_demon

    the_demon Jr. Executive VIP

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    That depends...

    Is there any off site links to that page?

    Make your life easier... add a link to the page :p
     
  4. washington2010

    washington2010 Regular Member

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    Right that's what I mean, if there are no on-site links or off-site links. Is it findable by google?
     
  5. GreyWolf

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    If there is no link to the page from anywhere at all then no. That means absolutely no links though, nothing in site map, no unprotected folder indexes, nothing anywhere even mentioning the page location.

    The google bots aren't like some hacker entering random characters hoping to get a hit. They follow links. If there isn't a link or reference somewhere then they don't have a link to crawl from or to.

    If that's actually the case that there isn't a single link anywhere then they will never find the page.
     
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    Agree with grey wolf. Google only parses urls so it has to come across your page somehow either by a link from another site, a link from your site or a link in your site-map. If there really are no links it definitely won't be found.

    By the way, what's the URL?

    ... :)
     
  7. oxonbeef

    oxonbeef BANNED BANNED

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    I have to disagree.
    If you host a stand alone page on it's own domain or even IP and disallow robots maybe. But anything related to public_html of an indexed domain can be found.
    If I can I'm sure google can.
    What google does with this information is a different matter.
    I have sites and pages that I don't want displayed in the SERPs but they sure know about them.
     
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  8. DamnTees

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    as long as the spiders can crawl it I would say yes it could be indexed
     
  9. blackhatcodex

    blackhatcodex BANNED BANNED

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    It's interesting the comments, and I have to disagree with many of you. Google uses bots that "crawl" called "spiders". They called them "spiders" because as they follow the link tracks, their "web" continues to grow ever larger.

    While it is virtually impossible to hide a website without a disallow in your robot.txt, you can do it. I say "virtually impossible" because once you post someone about your site or someone else does (which you have no control over), then the bots will hit you.

    Google only indexes and obtains websites that it has either found or has been given information on. It in no way actively seeks out new sites by randomly searching alpha-numeric strings.

    BUT....

    If you want your site to be fully de-indexed, then just create a Google Webmaster account and request a de-indexing of your site. Then you'll have no worries.
     
  10. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    Just did some quick testing to see about a few things.

    Created new Subdomain, Installed wordpress, installed "Wassup" to see when spiders come.

    I created a phrase which was unique to my site, just a random pile of letters that doesn't appear anywhere in Google. I searched the phrase in Google, and even used Firefox to jump from Google to my site, so my referrer Logs show Google referred me, but the spiders didnt come. As GreyWolf said, they are not just typing in random phrases til they hit a site.

    The second I made a post, the spiders were pinged through the RSS feed and came to my site. Now this was only a 5 minute test, and then I stopped because I realized it didn't make any sense.

    Can Google find a page without any backlinks? Yes, through Pinging I guess. Can they find it through dumb luck? Yes if it is a high search value keyword, Google MAY run a spider than checks commonly searched keywords to see if there is a .com/.net/.org/.info or whatever site built for it, but that would just be the root domain page.

    In general, will Google find a page with no pinging and no hyperlinks to the site? No. Their spiders would have to randomly crawl every combination of letters and numbers on every known extension, and when a domain is found, it would then have to go through another search of billions of letter and number combinations to find a possible subdomain or random page connected to the site.

    It would take years to find 1 page if they brute forced it.

    So if you create a domain like http://www.iufhsifsf.com, and you make a page entitled http://www.iufhsifsf.com/iffgfsfsfskf, and you don't link the two together, there is no way Google will find the page.


    Too long/didn't read version: No. Agree with GreyWolf.
     
  11. GreyWolf

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    Well like I said there would have to be *absolutely* no links at all. Unintentional links the se can use can come from things like having a toolbar installed on a browser that visits the page (that could even include you accessing your files through cpanel), server logs being public, folder index being available, someone linking to the page that you're not aware of, having a link on the page and using it to go to other sites, and a bunch of other seemingly innocuous things that are out of your control.

    Since even if you don't make any intentional links yourself to a page, if you really don't want it indexed (an order fulfillment page for example) it's a good idea to include noindex, nofollow in the robots metatag of that page and any links you might make for it.

    Here's some google references regarding the topic
    How Does the Search Appliance Crawl?
    What Content Is Not Crawled?

    While google certainly isn't always totally forthcoming in the information it releases to the public, there simply isn't any reason for them to find unlinked and unreferenced content. It would be counterproductive for there services to go out of their way to find every random page or file on every server. At the same time, ir wouldn't be cost effective for them to try preventing the crawlers from following inadvertant links.

    So, like I said if there is *any* link *anywhere* online referencing that page or file then eventually the crawlers can come upon it. Having said that though, trying to prevent "*any* link *anywhere*" from existing is probably about as easy as trying to operate online without leaving a digital footprint.
     
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  12. SeoGaming

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    If you kidnap a boy and hide him in the dustbin, can their parents ever find him ?

    The answer is no.
     
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  13. OldFatGuy

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    If there are absolutely no links anywhere to the page, even from a public stats page, a sitemap, some feed, an email that ends up in gmail etc etc etc, then no, google can't find it via crawling. However if someone visits the page and has something like google toolbar installed, or, and this is only supposition as I've ever tested it, uses Chrome, then google will see it and might put it in their to crawl list.
     
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    oxonbeef BANNED BANNED

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    I guess you're not a parent then if you believe that concept.
     
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    oxonbeef BANNED BANNED

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    My thought exactly!
     
  16. davids355

    davids355 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Man your REP'ed up to the max for that statement, LOL.