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How's my engrish?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by albaniax, Jan 21, 2010.

  1. albaniax

    albaniax Elite Member

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    Hey fellow's!

    I have to say, that in this a year and a half?! I really learned a lot on BHW, but also made some huge steps forward in my english.

    I moved from a 3-4 to a 2 in grades. ( 1 best - 6 worst )

    I learned a lot of vocabularys and could never image, to improve that much my misspell-qoute.

    However, I want to know, where I still can improve things. If you have a minute for me, please check out some last posts I made, and tell me where I make most of my mistakes.

    Whatever if it is more in grammer, vocabulary, or the order of sentences.

    Good night..
     
  2. killxp

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    Hello albaniax,

    It looks like you could improve a little in each area.
    Spelling: quote not qoute
    Grammar: imagine not image
    Vocabulary: The first four sentences all start with "I"
    Sentence Structure: Whatever, if it is grammar not Whatever if it is grammar

    Suppose a judge writes out a verdict. Can you tell the difference between the two:

    Imprison him, not set him free.
    Imprison him not, set him free.

    Honestly you seem to be doing very well. It just looks like you need to do a little refining but you are almost there. I remember when I learned how to speak English, which should carry over into your writing, my father had me watch an hour of news 7-8pm on KCET I believe. If I remember the correctly the same guy still hosts the show, decades later.

    Hope this helps,
    killxp
     
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  3. tony-raymondo

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    The thing is i noticed almost everyone in scandinavia had nearly perfect English.

    yet many germans, french, japanese do not

    my Danish friend thinks its because they do not often translate TV to Danish or Swedish as much in Scandinavia, as they do in, say, Germany or France.

    My tip - watch lots and lots of our stupid crappy TV shows like Friends and BayWatch - in English
     
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  4. albaniax

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    Thanks for the answers.

    Actually I also make many mistakes by typing to fast, and not rereading what I wrote.

    But it's true that every movie is translated in german here. My cousing living in Denmark said the same, and when I visited him once, I saw that all the movies are in english, and have only subtitles. His english is by the way pretty good, too.

    I already started watching "Two and a half men" in english, but I really need to read some english books, and watch english movies, preferably with a german subtitle.
     
  5. erascal

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    Good for ya!

    Here's a tip: Read Archie comics. TV sitcoms aren't really going to be helpful if you're just learning English. Often they will be making references and you won't get it unless you actually GET it. You know what I mean? Comics use simple, everyday English and if you don't understand what they're saying, you can always pick it up from the illustrations.
     
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  6. Bamboo1

    Bamboo1 Junior Member

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    Install a grammar plugin in your browser. After you type, let the a.i. correct you. :)

    edit: Oh, and btw: Where're you from?
     
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  7. insider

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    Yeah French people have mostly a shitty english (that includes me, I have still a lot to learn, I'm often searching a long time to find some words .. :-(
     
  8. Black&Red

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    I think it actually has something to do with where these languages come from (which main language). I have been in Denmark for a week and I must say they are very good at english, I was really surprised that even most of older people spoke english too, unlike in my country.
     
  9. Bamboo1

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    Oh, albaniax, sorry it says in your Location: Germany.

    Yeah, I've known few Scandinavians who's English was extremely good.
     
  10. futurestunner

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    NO! i learned french first and then filipino and the english!
     
  11. dietbird

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    Lol, you even typed the title like a Japanese :D

    But, seriously now, your English is not all that bad. You just have to smooth out the edges.


    • Your sentence structure is quite good, IMO.
    • Your spelling needs a lot of work, but you'll get there, once you start reading.
    • Your grammar is not all that bad too; you'll quickly improve on that once you start reading/listening/watching English entertainment.

    What I can suggest to you is watching TV shows with English subtitles. You can watch movies too, but with TV shows you quickly get used to the pronunciation and accents of the characters and it's a lot easier to discern what they're saying. (Someone suggested Friends - it's one of my personal favorites and one of the first shows I started watching without any subtitles. It's 10 seasons long and you'll learn a lot of new thing along the way.)

    In my opinion, English is the easiest language to learn. It's everywhere. You have to live in a cave to not learn at least a little English. And even then, you're not insured :D

    Also, Wikipedia is a great resource. You start reading an article about limestone, and 'till you know it, you're looking at a picture of a flying fish :D You can learn lots of new vocabulary and phrases that way.

    Quick Tip: When you stumble on a new word or phrase, don't simply look it up in a dictionary or put it in G Translate. Instead, type:

    define:word

    That way you get the English meaning of the word, which is much more helpful than simply remembering the translation.

    After that, use Anki to make a card of the word. You'll never ever forget it.

    Helpful software: Anki


    Code:
    [URL]http://ichi2.net/anki/[/URL]
    This little piece of software has helped me immensely. It makes virtual decks of words for you. On the one side you type the English word/expression, and on the other - the German one.

    And, the program doesn't stop there. When a new card is presented to you, you can say whether you remember the card and how well.

    If you choose that you don't remember it, it will be shown again very soon - usually the same day.
    If you select that you remember it well, on the other hand, it will be shown in 3 days. Then in a week. Then in 3 weeks. Then in 2 months and so on.

    It has helped me a lot in my language endeavors and I can't recommend it enough.

    Just be sure to make your own decks and not use someone else's.

    If you have any trouble using Anki, feel free to PM me. I'd be glad to help you.

    P.S. Oh, and, I almost forgot - write! This will probably be the most important thing to push you forward and improve your spelling. I don't know which browser you're using, but I'd suggest you start using FireFox. It has an amazing internal spelling engine that underlines your words for you when they are misspelled. If you right click on them, it will show you suggestions. So, start populating that lounge :D

    P.P.S. And, for the love of everything sacred, don't ever, never ever, ever, use your instead of you're.
    I've seen native English speakers confuse that one, so take time to learn it properly.

    You're means You are, while Your means the one belonging to you.

    And, the most important advice of all, have fun! Don't make learning English a chore.
     
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  12. hma5150

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    its pretty good some mis ordered sentence but nothing that is not understandable
     
  13. albaniax

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    Some very good tips here ;)

    I already installed this grammar plugin, why didn't I thought before of it ??

    This one is easy. First: Prison for him - Second: No prison for him.

    Actually, I don't like friends at all. We have it also translated here in german, but it's not the type of jokes I laugh about. I think I will give Dr.House a try. Then is Sopranos the best season I ever watched, so I might start with it, too. But they also might talk a little bit harder here.

    This software Anki sounds good, but I really should make a own set of cards. I downloaded one, and it shows me words like : adjunct, cogent, whimsical, sanguine..etc.

    I have no fucking clue about these words xD

    Oh and by the way, the engrish was just a joke :D
     
  14. dietbird

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    No, please, don't start with House. It's very complicated language and really hard to understand sometimes. It was the only shows that I had to use English subtitles for. Also, it's really challenging to catch House's metaphors.

    If you don't like Friends, try Entourage, Dexter, Heroes, Lost, Prison Break, The Office. These are good shows with relatively simple language.

    How I Met Your Mother, Chuck, Fringe, Family Guy, Las Vegas, Nip/Tuck and Two and a Half Men are also good shows. Not my favorite, but easily understandable.

    Also, visit this forum for lots of tips, tricks and techniques:

    Code:
    [URL]http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/default.asp[/URL]
    I just read over there a thread about a study that was done, and the outcome was that Subtitles in your native language actually hinder your language learning. And, vice versa, subtitles in your L2 really improve your language learning.

    Guess that's why none of my parents don't understand a word in English. They watch movies with [native] subtitles all the time... :D

    Also, about the books, be careful there, because you should be fairly advanced before you jump to L2 books.

    Books can't show you the meaning of some words portraying intangible things (as of, therein, anyhow etc). Movies and TV Shows, on the other hand, are perfect for that.
     
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  15. Wizzie

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    Watch english movies without subtitles and read the news in english, also read daily english sites and you will be alright....

    BTW I am from eastern europe and to my surprise I knew more English than my university teacher LOL....

    Funny huh? :)
     
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  16. Alex Brooks

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    Watch a load of TV in English so you pick up how we say certain words, because reading them out-loud and how they really sound are a bit different, your English isn't the best, I'm not going to stand here and tell you it is, but what I can tell you, it's a lot better then a lot of other BHW members. The fact your trying to do better by making this topic says a lot about you/your person.

    I used to do German at school and I was terrible, I think over a course of 2.5 years, I learnt how to say "helllo" and "can i take my jumper off" (School rules) - So you really are doing a good job, at least we (most of us) here on BHW can understand you and we can tell what you mean when you do make mistakes :)
     
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  17. Lukedell

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    Ur Talking Good England haha.

    Only joking....your english is pretty good mate and you got the typing pretty good too. Keep it up.
     
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  18. Hellfire

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    Believe me, not all Scandinavians have perfect English. You should join my English class once. ;)
     
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    Albaniax a jeni Shqiptar? Kam visituar Shqiperia me familijen, kishta nje apartament ne Duressi.
    Eshte shume e bukur ne Duressi. Jam duke mesua Shquip.
     
  20. dietbird

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    Told ya, sometimes even native English speakers confuse your and you're.

    P.S. No offense, Alex.